# 12 Angry Men **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [February 23, 2026, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899 "2026-02-23T00:14:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2026, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/81 "2026-03-01T20:29:56Z")
And was possessed by the spirit of Jack the Ripper on Star Trek ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2026, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/82 "2026-03-01T20:30:25Z")
It was available on Betamax in New Zealand I’ve heard ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2026, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/83 "2026-03-02T07:13:07Z")
Reginald Rose added that bit for the movie of his TV play. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2026, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/84 "2026-03-02T18:31:05Z")
I think they showed scenes of this movie to my class in 3rd grade in 1984. It was used as a model of group dynamics. We were young to see it but it made an impression on me. I saw it again in high school and saw the characters as more fleshed out. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2026, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/85 "2026-03-03T01:28:30Z")
I’m not sure it would make much sense in snippets without seeing all the character arcs, especially Juror No. 3. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2026, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/86 "2026-03-03T12:21:06Z")
Actually now that I remember it I think I saw more like the whole movie in 3rd Grade. I had a neighbor who was my teacher at the school; I think I had asked him questions about what happens in court so he referred the film to me. A city librarian checked it out to me as it seemed I was mature enough to watch it. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2026, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/87 "2026-03-04T05:03:47Z")
That def makes more sense. From an educational point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2026, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/88 "2026-03-05T00:16:17Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Both times I’ve been on juries, we were told we could believe a witness wholly; not at all; or in part. I’ve _heard_ jury directions, but I’ve never read a complete, or largely complete jury direction. The question in my mind is "when and where did they _start_ directing juries that they couldn’t _find their own evidence_? > [@Moriarty](#): > > Here’s Florida’s jury instruction on reasonable doubt (fairly standard) Courts here don’t seem to have pro-forma jury instructions. The jury instructions I’ve heard have been much more add-hoc – and sometimes very poorly done. The last judge I heard introduced the concepts of “contextual” and “tendency” evidence without being helpful in any way, and stumbled over her poorly thought out and incorrect contention that she was not going to give the jury direction on ‘facts’. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2026, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/89 "2026-03-05T05:23:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Their (Puerto Rico) food did smell- delicious IMHO- but to middle aged 1950’s white dudes who thought “spicy” was black pepper, it did smell odd, and thus so did their neighborhoods. Even today, some New Yorkers claim they can tell many neighborhoods simply by the smell. Puerto Rican food is notoriously **not spicy** , especially among Latin American cuisine but pretty much in general. The typical chili pepper is the cubanelle, which is among the more mild. I haven’t seen this in a long time, but enjoyed it. I used it in a class, 20-somethings at the time thought it was good. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2026, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/90 "2026-03-05T10:20:19Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > This will give me something else to look for the next time I watch that movie (_TPS_ that is). IMDb says _uncredited_; I haven’t seen _TPS_ in decades, but it played at the place I worked in college, so I probably saw it 7 times over the course of a week. I’m pretty sure there is a butler answering the door and announcing people. I’ll bet that’s him. I must have _TPS_ on one of my streaming services-- there’s pretty much nothing Hollywood + public domain I can’t find. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2026, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899/91 "2026-03-05T15:41:24Z")
I have actually gone through the movie again, and did not see him; his role might have ended up being cut. The Lord household has two male servants, both parts credited: the butler Edward, and the chauffeur (who is also watching over the wedding gifts) Thomas. Uncle Willie has a butler with a speaking part, but that is also someone else (someone much older). You can see the backs of two different men serving drinks at the party (at Uncle Willie’s house), so he might have been one of those, and IMDb only notes him because he is a working actor not just a professional extra. Other than that, I saw nothing. CK Dexter Haven’s house does not evince a manservant, Dex answers the door (at 5am or so in the story) himself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-angry-men/1027899.md?page=4)