# 12 Years and who knows how many sickened, Lancet fully recants... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 2, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411 "2010-02-02T17:52:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/21 "2010-02-02T23:03:02Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Well, now that we’ve gotten the junk science of vaccines cleared up, let’s get rid of the junk science on DDT, which has probably killed more people in the last half-century than all other junk science combined (and possibly more than any other cause of death, period). I guess that makes Rachel Carson a vicious psychopath and a fame-seeking whore. And given that about 75% of Americans swallowed the politics hook line and sinker, I guess that makes 3 of the people in this thread assholes too. > > Oh, and please post your ill-informed memes about baby birds and shit too. Reported for threadshitting. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/22 "2010-02-02T23:15:20Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > **Lavender Blue** , oh, I figured the idiot part out pretty quickly. 🙂 > > Thanks for the link to the article. I have printed it out to incorporate it into my semi-annual “vaccines do not cause autism, you morons” lesson plan for all my classes. I’m already receiving indications from some students that they want to argue with me, so I always pull out my 3-inch thick file of reprints and demand that they read every article BEFORE they attempt to address the issue. That usually shuts 'em up. Some people you can shut up. Unfortunately a small vocal group of morons can’t be shut up no matter how much evidence you throw at them. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/23 "2010-02-02T23:21:44Z")
> [@detop](#): > > Rupert Murdoch to the pillory ! I could get behind that… or we could chelate him. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/24 "2010-02-02T23:50:47Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > And the deification of Dr. Wakefield begins: > > [HuffPost | Editor's Note](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-stagliano/the-censorship-of-autism_b_446295.html) > > I want to slap this author silly, and address her misunderstandings and flat-out errors one by one, but honestly I don’t have that much time. The worst thing about that article is that, if we hadn’t been wasting time and resources down a dead-end pathway, we could be further on in ACTUAL research on autism. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/25 "2010-02-02T23:58:46Z")
> [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](#): > > The worst thing about that article is that, if we hadn’t been wasting time and resources down a dead-end pathway, we could be further on in ACTUAL research on autism. This, THIS, my friend, is my point! As I’ve said before, how much time, money, and manpower have we wasted, THROWN AWAY, on this dead-end, trying to either pin down the connection (before it was known that Wakefield was a lying sack of shit) or reassure parents that there was no connection (after the tsunami of data began to build that he was a lying sack of shit)? Those are resources that are gone forever, that could have been better used in this arena of exploration. And the McCarthyites (which has a different chilling meaning today) will not ever let it go, they’ll never shut up, and they’ll never stop poisoning the public discourse with their meaningless braying. I echo **Lavender Blue’s** post ending above… sigh. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/26 "2010-02-03T00:04:38Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > This, THIS, my friend, is my point! As I’ve said before, how much time, money, and manpower have we wasted, THROWN AWAY, on this dead-end, trying to either pin down the connection (before it was known that Wakefield was a lying sack of shit) or reassure parents that there was no connection (after the tsunami of data began to build that he was a lying sack of shit)? > > Those are resources that are gone forever, that could have been better used in this arena of exploration. > > And the McCarthyites (which has a different chilling meaning today) will not ever let it go, they’ll never shut up, and they’ll never stop poisoning the public discourse with their meaningless braying. > > I echo **Lavender Blue’s** post ending above… > > sigh. Worse. They’ll never stop trying to poisoning the public with needless outbreaks of infectious illnesses. > [@](#): > > [http://www.usnews.com/health/articles/2008/05/02/health-buzz-measles-epidemic-and-other-health-news.html](http://www.usnews.com/health/articles/2008/05/02/health-buzz-measles-epidemic-and-other-health-news.html) > > The CDC says that many measles cases happen in kids whose parents claim an exemption from vaccination due to religious or personal beliefs, or in children not yet old enough to be vaccinated. Only one recently infected person had documentation of prior vaccination against the illness. The ill also include 14 infants, who were too young to have been vaccinated yet. The recent outbreak emphasizes how important it is for adults and kids to be vaccinated against the measles, the agency says. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/27 "2010-02-03T00:19:34Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Worse. > > They’ll never stop trying to poisoning the public with needless outbreaks of infectious illnesses. Yea, but nobody DIES from the measles, silly. After all, I had German measles, and chicken pox, and I’m still here, aren’t I? So that’s proof that those ridiculous dangerous vaccines aren’t necessary. :rolleyes: The illogic, is it to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/28 "2010-02-03T01:35:01Z")
I love [this](http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/02/lancet.retraction.autism/index.html?hpt=Sbin) video from CNN. You have to watch the end where, after the past few minutes of discussing the retraction, the newsreader woman actually says something to the effect that this new finding is sure going to validate people like Jenny McCarthy wherein the other woman has to explain what a retraction means. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/29 "2010-02-03T02:07:55Z")
I’m extremely disappointed that CNN’s so-called medical expert stated that the anti-vax people claim that there have been studies since Wakefield’s that indicated a link without then saying “that claim is not true.” ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/30 "2010-02-03T03:00:23Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > They’ll never stop trying to poisoning the public with needless outbreaks of infectious illnesses. That’s an oxymoron! Wait, you didn’t say they’ll never stop poisoning the public with **needles** :smack: ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/31 "2010-02-03T03:39:24Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I’m extremely disappointed that CNN’s so-called medical expert stated that the anti-vax people claim that there have been studies since Wakefield’s that indicated a link without then saying “that claim is not true.” The mainstream media can be sadly wishywashy on this subject sometimes. The problem with Wakefield’s “study” is that you have to accept a series of hypothesis that don’t make sense. More here: > **[Error | AAP](https://www.aap.org/en/error?code=404)** > > Error landing page I’ve been reading about this issue for years and years. I really need to write a book that explains all I’ve learned about anti-vaccine myths and all the bad science behind them. Actually I desperate want to write the book or I swear some days I’m going to explode. Let me know if anyone on the board is interested in being my co-author. 😃 Especially after reading the mommy boards while Earth Mommy Perfect blithely explains that her children are healthier because she’s dumb enough not to vaccinate them. Yeah sure the eldest broke a rib from whooping cough and the youngest was miserable for weeks from hacking out a lung and yeah they were worried sick when she stepped on a rusty nail but by god they avoided those nasty vaccines and her kids have the very delightful natural immunity. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/32 "2010-02-03T04:56:37Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I’m extremely disappointed that CNN’s so-called medical expert stated that the anti-vax people claim that there have been studies since Wakefield’s that indicated a link without then saying “that claim is not true.” Damn, with media like this, it’s no wonder people are misinformed about these issues. What an absolutely pitiful attempt to inform the public, if that’s even what they were trying to do there. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/33 "2010-02-03T05:07:55Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > He then publicized this and proclaimed it to the heavens, and rode it like a drunk frat girl riding the mechanical bull at Cotton-Eyed Joe’s. I hate to spoil a great simile but… what’s a frat girl? ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/34 "2010-02-03T05:15:36Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Let me know if anyone on the board is interested in being my co-author. > > 😃 You did that deliberately, didn’t you? 😉 I’m in. When’s our first planning and strategy meeting? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/35 "2010-02-03T05:15:38Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > I hate to spoil a great simile but… what’s a frat girl? Like a fag hag, but for heteros. ---
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/36 "2010-02-03T05:50:34Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Let me know if anyone on the board is interested in being my co-author. Need any more help? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/37 "2010-02-03T06:01:55Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > More here: > > [Error | AAP](http://www.aap.org/immunization/families/autismwakefield.html) > > I’ve been reading about this issue for years and years. I really need to write a book that explains all I’ve learned about anti-vaccine myths and all the bad science behind them. Actually I desperate want to write the book or I swear some days I’m going to explode. And in reading the article you linked to, I see even more reason for children to get the MMR, if congenital rubella syndrome is a possible contributing cause of autism. And I actually read a comment from a mother a couple days ago, saying that you should let your children catch chicken pox the natural way, as it will “toughen them up”. Sometimes I despair. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/38 "2010-02-03T06:11:22Z")
Look, it’s not like we should push the anti-vaxers on the issue, after all, I’m sure they all have plenty of reasons why it wouldn’t be so bad if Little Timmy got polio. ---
**Author:** ![flodnak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/838e76/32.png) [@flodnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flodnak)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/39 "2010-02-03T10:11:12Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Unfortunately a small vocal group of morons can’t be shut up no matter how much evidence you throw at them. I don’t know about that. Put all **kolga’s** reprints in a nice big three-ring binder, and I think you could shut _anybody_ up with that evidence. Assuming you had good aim, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411/40 "2010-02-03T12:42:38Z")
It’s amazing that this study wasn’t withdrawn years ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-and-who-knows-how-many-sickened-lancet-fully-recants/527411.md?page=3)