# 12 years old, both arms blown off, family dead, but hey - he's FREE! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 9, 2003, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-old-both-arms-blown-off-family-dead-but-hey-hes-free/167517 "2003-04-09T09:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-old-both-arms-blown-off-family-dead-but-hey-hes-free/167517/201 "2003-04-12T00:33:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*But, cryin’ out loud, **Scylla** , you do exactly that! You got no idea about this guys sincerity, yet you presume to look into his mind and judge that he’s simply using this kids pain to “pimp for his agenda”. And then you turn right around and get all huffy when it happens to you. > > You’re just as easy as the rest of us sluts, **Scylla** , but you keep insisting you’re the only virgin in the bunch. > > It just ain’t so. \*\* As usual, you are completely full of shit. I’m not reading Tagos’ mind when I observe that he’s using the kid to pimp his agenda, I’m observing his behavior. when Tagos says: > [@](#): > > You wanted war, now look at the consequences. He is using this kids suffering to pimp his agenda. I don’t give a shit what his motivations are, and I’m not assigning any arguments to the scumbag. I am observing his behavior. On the other hand, when you say things like this: > [@](#): > > I know you better than he, I know what I regard as moral outrage you are inclined to see as simply a rather vigorous form of Darwinism. You’re assigning arguments to me, that I don’t have. Shitty arguments. Callous arguments. Similarly, in your other recent Pit thread you assign attitudes to the AG. It’s not that we do it all the time, **Elucidator,** it’s that you do it a lot. That is the source of my anger and frustration with you. Your method of argument is to make up some vile or foolish stance and attribute it to people, either the ones you are debating, or the source of the debate itself. Sometimes both. You don’t argue what people say very often. You argue what you think, or pretend they’re saying. I’m not sure which. Do I do it on occasion? I’m sure I do. We all make mistakes. It’s a little different with you. You do it practically all the time. It seems to be one of if not your main debating technique. I’ve said my piece on this. If you want you can pull apart and insist that I am falsely attributing an attitude to Tagos, when I call the way he plays off that kids misery “pimping.” On the other hand, you could think about what I said, and consider whether or not it might be true. Then it might be more fun to talk to you, for me at least. If you want to continue this discussion seriously, I’ll be glad to. I’d suggest another thread. Frankly, it doesn’t matter to me. I was amazed and delighted in my protest thread, because I’d forgotten how nice it was to talk to people who aren’t fucking with you, even if you disagree. I also realized that fighting you was turning me into an asshole. I don’t want to do it anymore. Maybe we’re talking to each other to much and fighting so much that we’re both being assholes. I’ll be happy to accept whatever blame you want to assign me in this. It’s my fault too. But, I really don’t want to do it anymore. -For what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2003, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/12-years-old-both-arms-blown-off-family-dead-but-hey-hes-free/167517/202 "2003-04-16T00:34:36Z")
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