# 16 year old girl hanged because she had a 'sharp tongue' **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 22, 2004, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944 "2004-08-22T05:08:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/81 "2004-08-22T18:59:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’ll be a real revelation to those libruls that murder is bad, thanks for bringing it up. You jackasses. Anytime, dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/82 "2004-08-22T19:10:54Z")
More here: [http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3661](http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3661) The Islamic judge even took it upon himself to tie the noose around the girl’s neck. Also apparently the girl was not executed by “regular” hanging (breaking the neck) but was lifted slowly into the air – a protracted and very painful death by slow suffocation. Ahh well. Gotta love Sharia! Stoning and slow strangulation all brought to us by the mercy of the Religion of Peace. Gah! It makes rats ass difference whether it’s laws or not, actually worse, as it just codifies despicable acts. Even so lets not pretend the laws in Iran are enacted in a democracy. They’re ruled by a bunch of camel-shagging Islamic mullahs regurgitating fascistic laws of paedophilia, misogyny and anti-Semitism that were considered barbaric in the Middle Ages. Fuck Khomeini. The culture of Islamic fascism should be wiped out! In Iran as it should everywhere. But saying the Islamic fascism currently riding Iran like a mare is equivalent to the whole of Iranian culture is insulting to say the least. Persia has a long and proud tradition of cultured enlightenment and restraint. The Islamic fuckheads currently in power is an abnormality that should be cut out like a lump of cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/83 "2004-08-22T19:42:43Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > Yes they executed the victim according to “our” law. Under their law she commited a crime. Fucked up? Yes! But we can all do things that a perfectly legal in one country yet are a crime in another. This is an EXTREME version of this. > > But the death penalty is wrong wherever it is and for whatever reason it is used. > > Just look at the stink that western countries put up when one of their own gets the death penalty in somewhere like Thailand for drug smuggling. That is their law. To “us” it seems extreme. > > In NZ prostitution is legal. It seems odd to me to think that this is a crime elsewhere. In Amersterdam you can smoke weed in a cafe, elsewhere this could get you jail time. > > Do I think it is right this girl got the death penalty? Shit no! But then I don’t think anyone should get the death penalty. > > You killed someone you evil person…right! That’s it we are going to kill you! It’s as stupid as smacking a child to teach them not to hit their sibling. So, say someone locks their elderly mother in the basement, confining her against her will to a place she doesn’t want to be, so that they can spend her Social Security checks (or whatever the NZ or European equivalent is). The person gets caught. Is it now evil or stupid to confine that confine that person, against their will, to a place that they don’t want to be? Certain acts are either A) Bad, no matter what B) Good or bad depending on why they’re done C) Good or bad depending on the degree to which they’re done. Your country, your neighboring countries, and Europe as well seem to be saying that all killings/executions go under group A. OK, I notice that pretty much all of you guys have a military. Why? Those people have guns, and tanks, and planes with bombs, all to kill people. If **All** killing is wrong, aren’t you guys just as wrong and barbaric for have a military? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/84 "2004-08-22T19:45:01Z")
I ment to add the words “in jail” to “The person gets caught. Is it now evil or stupid to confine that confine that person, against their will, to a place that they don’t want to be?” ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/85 "2004-08-22T19:45:52Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > I do not and cannot equate the execution of a 16 YO girl for giving in to her boyfriend with the execution of murderers. There is no moral equivalency here. Yeah there is. It certainly is okay to kill a murderer. In fact, I would even support the killing of rapists and corporate thieves. However, that’s only if we were absolutely certain they were guilty, which is impossible. Killing someone because they had sex and killing someone because we are pretty sure we think they may have killed someone are not too different. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/86 "2004-08-22T19:54:45Z")
> [@Master Control](#): > > OK, I notice that pretty much all of you guys have a military. Why? Those people have guns, and tanks, and planes with bombs, all to kill people. If **All** killing is wrong, aren’t you guys just as wrong and barbaric for have a military? ummm…. I think you’re confusing a military able to kill anything bigger than a mole with the sensitive forces currently fielded in Europe who’d get their asses kicked by an average sized American high-school girl hockey team. Not that there’s anything wrong with locking your ma in the basement… Actually the last poll I saw (no cite) had about 40% of Western Europeans in favour of execution versus 60% Americans (US). Those 20% really makes for all the difference don’t they?! ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/87 "2004-08-22T19:58:00Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > ummm…. I think you’re confusing a military able to kill anything bigger than a mole with the sensitive forces currently fielded in Europe who’d get their asses kicked by an average sized American high-school girl hockey team. Not that there’s anything wrong with locking your ma in the basement… > > Actually the last poll I saw (no cite) had about 40% of Western Europeans in favour of execution versus 60% Americans (US). Those 20% really makes for all the difference don’t they?! 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/88 "2004-08-22T20:09:18Z")
> [@Master Control](#): > > 😕 What? 1. Lame joke 2. 20% does not make for solid foundation to build a moral high ground on. With inaccuracies etc. it seems Europeans and Americans thoughts on state executions are not so different. Perhaps the difference lies more in that Europeans are more likely to excuse politicians not doing the peoples will? 3. Fuck you Opal! (this being the pit) ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/89 "2004-08-22T20:12:52Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > What? > > 1. Lame joke > 2. 20% does not make for solid foundation to build a moral high ground on. With inaccuracies etc. it seems Europeans and Americans thoughts on state executions are not so different. Perhaps the difference lies more in that Europeans are more likely to excuse politicians not doing the peoples will? > 3. Fuck you Opal! (this being the pit) Ok, think I get what you’re saying now. ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/90 "2004-08-22T20:13:14Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Yeah there is. It certainly is okay to kill a murderer. In fact, I would even support the killing of rapists and corporate thieves. > > However, that’s only if we were absolutely certain they were guilty, which is impossible. Killing someone because they had sex and killing someone because we are pretty sure we think they may have killed someone are not too different. As an ex Worldcom investor I must admit that it would be satisfying to execute corporate thieves but I don’t really think I can go that far. 😃 If perfection is your criteria for applying the death penalty then obviously it isn’t going to happen. OTOH, I disagree with the “we are pretty sure they may have killed someone” portion of your response. In most cases we are a lot more than “pretty sure” and in those cases the guy should get the DP. Humanely and quickly and without torture or degradation. More like someone would put down a dog with rabies. Obviously, we’re going to disagree on this. Best regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/91 "2004-08-22T21:02:43Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > It is up to the people of a country to decide their laws…NOT anyone else. NZ decided prostitution was ok (no not everyone…some hate the law change), America decided the death penalty was ok for murder (again not everybody), Iran decided sex outside of marriage was a bad thing (again not everyone I’m sure). If Iran wants to change their laws they will. > > In my merry little universe the death penalty is not acceptable for any crime. I hate to interject some facts into this when some people in general are having so much fun with the specious comparing of the US death penalty to yet another Sharia atrocity against women, but like many people who don’t live in the US you’ve assumed in ignorance that the death penalty is universal through the US. In fact, 12/50 States do not have the death penalty at all, and neither do the quasi-States of DC and Puerto Rico. In addition, New York’s death penalty was ruled unconstitutional this year, so until the State constitution is changed, most likely they will no longer have a death penalty. Six States have a death penalty on the books but have not applied it since it was re-allowed by the USSC. Neither, it seems, has the military. Yes, some Federal crimes have the death penalty, as well as some military ones, but there are large portions of the US where there is no death penalty in force for any regular crime (murder, etc) as one defines it. So kindly stop saying “America” and “Americans” in the generic sense. [http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=121&scid=11](http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=121&scid=11) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/92 "2004-08-22T21:31:45Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > More here: It makes rats ass difference whether it’s laws or not, actually worse, as it just codifies despicable acts. Even so lets not pretend the laws in Iran are enacted in a democracy. They’re ruled by a bunch of camel-shagging Islamic mullahs regurgitating fascistic laws of paedophilia, misogyny and anti-Semitism that were considered barbaric in the Middle Ages. > > Fuck Khomeini. The culture of Islamic fascism should be wiped out! In Iran as it should everywhere. But saying the Islamic fascism currently riding Iran like a mare is equivalent to the whole of Iranian culture is insulting to say the least. Persia has a long and proud tradition of cultured enlightenment and restraint. The Islamic fuckheads currently in power is an abnormality that should be cut out like a lump of cancer. Which is basically what I meant with my “extirpate” comment. Sorry if there was any confusion. I have had a number of Persian students over the years, and they have all been wonderful people. I feel that the religious/governmental dictators in Iran should be treated exactly the same as the Aztecs were. Wiped from the face of the Earth as an affront to all that is right and proper. But it really needs to be the people of Iran who do this for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![smartini](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@smartini](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smartini)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/93 "2004-08-22T21:54:37Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > Yes. If she broke a law in her country she suffers the penalty. That’s still not happened in the case in point. She was executed because the judge got his shorts in a knot because she spoke her mind. The bigger picture is that _he was allowed to do so_ . I don’t pretend to know why that is so but it is my suspicion it would boil down to the his inability (or more correctly his lack of desire) to separate religion from law. Why bother to call him a judge? Why bother to call it a court? A travesty all around. ---
**Author:** ![MizQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/94ad74/32.png) [@MizQuirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MizQuirk)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/94 "2004-08-22T22:33:13Z")
What–is our missionary program not working in Iran? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/95 "2004-08-22T22:37:52Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Truly disgusting. > > But before we (in the US) get on our high horse, remember that a lot of European countries consider us barbarians for still having the death penalty. > > Killing a little girl for a “sharp tongue” or killing a (perhaps innocent) person who may have had an incompetant lawyer and a jury of idiots. Who are the scum now? > > Might be wise to re-consider the death penalty in the US before we start condemning it in other countries for what they consider heinous crimes. You ASS!!! I’m against the death penalty, too, but the people we kill are for the most part murderers. Whole different kettle of fish and don’t fucking pretend it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/96 "2004-08-22T22:39:19Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > First of all, hold your tongue. And second, there ARE people who nisist that the morality of other cultures is just as valid as our morality, and vice versa. This necessarily means endorsing murders which are committed in keeping with those cultural norms. This is such bullshit. All you reactionary rightwingers come swooping in here to lump the leftist call for cultural tolerance in with the execution of a 16 year old rape victim. Riiiiight; it’s just exactly the more leftwing among us who are more likely to condone this kind of act. What a bunch of assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/97 "2004-08-22T22:42:55Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > And those who are calling for the eradication of Iranian culture because of this horrible aspect of it need to examine _their_ moral frameworks. So, jjimm, are you FOR the Iranian execution? Hunky-dory by you, is it? Declare yourself if you have the guts. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/98 "2004-08-22T22:49:21Z")
I guess then the only solution is armed rebellion, a civil war. Afterwards, they can round up all the judges and so-called “holy men”, and give them a taste of their own “justice”. That’s what it will take to clean house. But who takes over then? Another dictator? Another bunch of religious fanatics? One post nailed it. The system did not work. A judge was allowed to kill someone over his own bloated sense of importance (or something) and the system let him do it. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/99 "2004-08-22T22:53:48Z")
> [@Spree](#): > > It disturbs me that some people in this thread are calling for the extermination of an entire culture because of practices (admittedly disgusting and barbaric) that make up only one aspect of that culture. It has been stated that the world would be a better place if that culture was extirpated. I agree. Be disturbed. Nazism was a culture, too. Japan circa 1930-1945 had a unique indigenous culture which we shamefully destroyed, citing minor things like the Rape of Nanking as our justification, among other things. But we mustn’t EVER object to other cultures, must we? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944/100 "2004-08-22T23:00:01Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > The Nazis did kill innocent people, as have many lunatic leaders and governments (Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein etc etc forever and ever). That is not the case here. > > She was not a random someone grabbed off the streets. She was tried for a crime. A crime many of us feel is abhorrant (because it is) but in her country it was a crime. That doesn’t make it a good law, or a fair law. Just a law in that country. > > The fact that she recieved the death penalty is what matters. It is a hideous thing wherever it happens and for whatever crime. I couldn’t disagree more. If she had been tried for killing some innocent person and then executed, I would have been unhappy at the imposition of the death penalty, but I wouldn’t think the Iranians who did this were a bunch of barbaric pigs – which is my opinion. I’d just think they, like many Americans, don’t understand that a society ought to be better than its murderers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/16-year-old-girl-hanged-because-she-had-a-sharp-tongue/260944.md?page=6)