# "200 Reasons Why the Earth is Not A Spinning Ball": what the heck is The Atlantean Conspiracy? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 29, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122 "2015-10-29T20:57:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/21 "2015-10-30T09:08:34Z")
It seems that he’s got one very simple misunderstanding: he doesn’t understand what the directions _up_ and _down_ mean. He thinks that _down_ is an absolute direction in space, when it’s actually defined by the direction of gravitational pull, which is toward the center of the Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/22 "2015-10-30T09:12:58Z")
> [@FluffyBob](#): > > I really want to see a picture of what this guy thinks the earth looks like from space. From what I know regarding this particular strain of moronism, according to them the Earth is flat with Antarctica being in “reality” a blippin’ ice wall (a la Game of Thrones) around the periphery. Of course, you can’t go see the edge by yourself because _they_ have armed guards that will stop you… and no, I’m not making that up. Recently the Armoured Skeptic did a couple videos debunking one of these _specimens_. You can look up “The Globe was an inside job”. IMHO this all comes as a result of a complete inability to understand anything meets an overwhelming fear of the unknown in the mind of a person who has ditched any remnants of intellectual honesty to make space for the malignant growth of his own hubris. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/23 "2015-10-30T12:08:53Z")
I’ve always wondered how these guys deal with the different angles of heavenly bodies. If at noon you phone from MA to your friend in CA, the two of you will report a very different angle of the sun above the horizon. How do flat-earthers deal with this? (Possible the answer is among the ‘200 Reasons’, past the point where I was willing to read.) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/24 "2015-10-30T12:20:32Z")
That’s actually very simple to explain using correct geometry. If the Sun is fairly close to the supposedly flat Earth then different spots on flat Earth will report the Sun at appreciably different elevations and azimuths. At least for moderate differences like MA & CA, which are less than 90 degrees apart. A flat Earth group \*does \*have hard time explaining mid-day in California and simultaneously mid-night in Australia. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/25 "2015-10-30T12:44:51Z")
> [@Francis\_Vaughan](#): > > One finds it hard to believe the guys is actually serious. But there are plenty of people that are so gullible and without the basic intellect to cope. So maybe he is. > > But the whole mega-conspiracy thing subsuming all conspiracies was done decades ago in the Illuminatis! trilogy. There is at least some clear overlap. The problem with the whole “secret world government” thing is look who they’re up against, the overt and real World Government ®. It is said that about 1/3 of USA households are renters, and these households spend about 1/3 their income on rent. That’s one hell of a lot of money going to landlords each month, and I’m guessing it’s about the same throughout the world. Any secret organization just doesn’t have a chance against this level of wealth. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/26 "2015-10-30T12:45:05Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > And is it easier to get a high jump record at the equator than at the pole ? The bulky parka, mittens, and snow pants make jumping especially difficult at the poles. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/27 "2015-10-30T13:21:29Z")
Just asking, is there some sort of explanation for the ability to observe orbiting satellites? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/28 "2015-10-30T13:33:48Z")
Everyone knows the Earth is a Cube – a Time Cube. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/29 "2015-10-30T13:40:03Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Just asking, is there some sort of explanation for the ability to observe orbiting satellites? As always, there is no argument against a conspiracy theory that can’t be fixed by making the conspiracy even bigger. So the answer to your question is, obviously, that NASA (and other space agencies) are part of the conspiracy. They do have a little more trouble hand-waving things away when confronted with the fact that radio signals are line of sight, and any person with a radio transmitter (well, two) can relatively easily demonstrate that the link between radios is lost at the predicted loss of LoS due to the curvature of the Earth. ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/30 "2015-10-30T17:18:43Z")
He scoffs at satellites, proposing planes or UFOs, and a hologram!!! in the case of the ISS, as a more likely explanations for the lights we attribute to satellites from the ground. After all it is obvious to anyone that if satellites are 100 miles away they would be impossible to see. He also thinks it is laughable that the moon could be anything but a transparent luminescent disc. A proof of this he gives is that you can regularly see stars through the moon. One gets the impression he hasn’t actually looked up in the sky much. I didn’t quite find it for sure but he seems to believe in a firmament rising up like a wall from Antarctica. The planets are obliviously just indistinct glowing dots and any images from NASA and their nefarious ilk are clearly ‘CGI’. This includes all purported images of earth from space as everyone knows clouds don’t look like that. I assume he takes the silent discomfort he gets from everyone he talks to as profound knowing agreement. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/31 "2015-10-30T18:26:30Z")
> [@FluffyBob](#): > > He scoffs at satellites, proposing planes **or UFOs** , and a hologram!!! in the case of the ISS, as a more likely explanations for the lights we attribute to satellites from the ground. (bolding mine) So, it’s an intergalactic conspiracy, then. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/32 "2015-11-02T20:27:19Z")
Isn’t it clear that the same people who tried to convince us that Atlantis didn’t exist are the ones trying to convince us the Earth is round? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/33 "2015-11-02T21:02:22Z")
> [@FluffyBob](#): > > I didn’t quite find it for sure but he seems to believe in a firmament rising up like a wall from Antarctica. The planets are obliviously just indistinct glowing dots… ISTM that if there are stars overhead, then the firmament must be in the shape of a dome that covers the flat Earth. So… [Something like this?](https://repousse.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/sheffield3.jpg) That should serve, man. Anyway, if that’s how it looks, then what’s on the outside? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/34 "2015-11-02T22:03:02Z")
Fools! Everyone knows the earth is a sphere. But we are on the inside! Up is towards the center. My newsletter has the proof. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/35 "2015-11-02T23:08:17Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Fools! > > Everyone knows the earth is a sphere. But we are on the inside! Up is towards the center. My newsletter has the proof. For the World is Hollow, and I have Touched the Sky. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/36 "2015-11-03T00:39:11Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ISTM that if there are stars overhead, then the firmament must be in the shape of a dome that covers the flat Earth. > > So… [Something like this?](https://repousse.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/sheffield3.jpg) > > That should serve, man. Anyway, if that’s how it looks, then what’s on the outside? AhA! So this guy with the 200 reasons web site got his cosmic wisdom from translating an alien text! Well that’s convincing enough for me. I look forward to the revelations he will bring us when he finishes with the Voynich Document next. Anyway, [here’s a famous illustration of the firmament and beyond, with discussion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving). ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/37 "2015-11-03T01:40:20Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > It seems that he’s got one very simple misunderstanding: he doesn’t understand what the directions _up_ and _down_ mean. He thinks that _down_ is an absolute direction in space, when it’s actually defined by the direction of gravitational pull, which is toward the center of the Earth. This is a big part of it. Much of his argument seems to be that a railroad wrapped around a curved Earth would create a “hill” in the center that would have too steep an incline to successfully navigate with a real train. The flaw is that, from the perspective of the train, there is no hill. The point toward which the train is being pulled changes as the train goes “up the hill”. This results in the train experiencing what feels like no curvature at all. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/38 "2015-11-03T03:50:39Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Fools! > > Everyone knows the earth is a sphere. [The Earth is banana-shaped.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrD16CBEJRs) ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/39 "2015-11-03T05:08:24Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [The Earth is banana-shaped.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrD16CBEJRs) [Thought it was shaped like a burrito.](http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6674/1214/1600/BloomCountyLooseTailsEvolutionpg37top.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122/40 "2015-11-03T14:53:05Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > [Thought it was shaped like a burrito.](http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6674/1214/1600/BloomCountyLooseTailsEvolutionpg37top.jpg) The world is football-shaped It’s just for me to kick in space [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/200-reasons-why-the-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-what-the-heck-is-the-atlantean-conspiracy/736122.md?page=3)