# 2009 NFL Draft Day Conversation **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 25, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336 "2009-04-25T19:05:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/121 "2009-04-25T21:49:05Z")
I wonder if Moreno being gone (the most commonly projected pick for the Eagles, and though mocks are near useless, some info has to form the foundation of those guesses), and possibly Pettigrew being taken before Philly, will affect any trades they try to make with that first rounder. If they no longer are able to draft the players they wanted, maybe they are more open to trading the pick away? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/122 "2009-04-25T21:49:53Z")
Will the Brownies get a shot at Maclin? Do they want him? Do the Chargers grab Beanie? And the real question, how long do we have to wait until the Bears pick so I can mock it. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/123 "2009-04-25T21:51:07Z")
Chargers said earlier that they wouldn’t be drafting a RB in round 1… Edit: Damn, I was hoping Larry English might fall to #36. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/124 "2009-04-25T21:52:00Z")
Little early for English, right? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/125 "2009-04-25T21:52:17Z")
Damn, I was hoping English would fall to the Pack in the second round! ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/126 "2009-04-25T21:53:24Z")
Love English. He’s going to be awesome in that defense. I’m surprised that they took him over Ayers, even though I agree that English is better. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/127 "2009-04-25T21:55:38Z")
The wife stole the computer from me. Interesting Chargers pick. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/128 "2009-04-25T21:56:58Z")
I don’t know much about Maclin because he wasn’t in consideration for the #5, but based on what I’m reading elsewhere I think he’d be a nice value at #17. Edit: new trade… Them passing on Maclin here really suggests they’re not going to trade Edwards. Yay. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/129 "2009-04-25T21:57:15Z")
I feel like the AFC West teams are competing to make the worst picks. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/130 "2009-04-25T21:57:16Z")
Hey Beef, are the Browns ever going to draft? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/131 "2009-04-25T21:58:40Z")
As long as they get good value for the trades, keep it going… Traded down 2 slots for the 191st pick. What is that, 5th rounder? Eh. I guess they’re confident their guy will be there in 2 slots. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/132 "2009-04-25T22:02:05Z")
Breaking news, Tampa unveils a new offensive scheme called the “Hydra.” They line up QBs at QB, FB, and HB, and a QB at the zWR, including another QB at RG. This way they can throw from multiple spots. Of course they have to throw backwards each time, but they figure after four or five passes, they can launch it downfield for a five yard gain or so. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/133 "2009-04-25T22:03:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t know much about Maclin because he wasn’t in consideration for the #5, but based on what I’m reading elsewhere I think he’d be a nice value at #17. > > Edit: new trade… > > Them passing on Maclin here really suggests they’re not going to trade Edwards. Yay. Watched a lot of Maclin in college, especially versus Illinois. He was very impressive and outplayed Vontae Davins. Whoever gets him will be very lucky at this point. The Browns are reminding me of the Bears from a few years back. Trade down…and down…and down. The Bucs are taking Josh Freeman. Strange move with the Leftwich signing, but I suppose Morris downplaying his past with Freeman was nothing but a smokescreen. Interesting, I’m not convinced he can play. He’s a little leadfooted and scatter shot. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/134 "2009-04-25T22:04:03Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > As long as they get good value for the trades, keep it going… > > Traded down 2 slots for the 191st pick. What is that, 5th rounder? Eh. I guess they’re confident their guy will be there in 2 slots. Mid 6th. Not great value, but it’s something. Works for both teams, the Bucs get a guy they like and the Browns don’t lose out on anyone. Only the Broncos, if they wanted Freeman, is screwed. But I think they wanted Ayers anyway. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/135 "2009-04-25T22:04:55Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > It’s all risk/reward. Andre Smith has a much higher bust potential than Monroe. He played very well, but when football was done, he completely checked out. From family members contacting agents, his lack of honesty with his coach, his suspension from the biggest game of his career, to his basically quitting on his draft prep because he knew he was going to get paid already. All of those tell me that he really doesn’t give a shit about bettering himself as a player. > > It could all simply be immaturity on his part, and for your sake I hope so. But he’s certainly a high risk. Which is **what the Bengals are known for**. Which is why it’s funny. Aside from Chris Henry and Odell Thurman, what high draft picks have the Bengals used on character issue guys? Carson Palmer, Chris Perry, Johnathon Joseph, Andrew Whitworth, Leon Hall… Sure they’ve taken some chances with fifth rounders (Jason Shirley, AJ Nicholson) and what not, but…those are the kinds of picks you can expend on guys like that, and all the other teams do it. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/136 "2009-04-25T22:05:14Z")
So seriously, did Tampa move up and take Freeman because Denver was about to take him with the next pick? I wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/137 "2009-04-25T22:06:25Z")
Denver HAS to go defense here. Ayers would be a smart play. Then the Browns could get Matthews, Davis or Maclin. Tough to know which direction they’ll go but Maclin would be the best value and great opposite Edwards. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/138 "2009-04-25T22:07:06Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Mid 6th. Not great value, but it’s something. Works for both teams, the Bucs get a guy they like and the Browns don’t lose out on anyone. Only the Broncos, if they wanted Freeman, is screwed. But I think they wanted Ayers anyway. With Freeman and Ayers being selected at those picks it doesn’t change the situation at all. It was a free 6th rounder. Let’s go Maclin… If Denver and Tampa both really wanted Freeman you’d think you could get them in a bidding war and get more than a 6th though. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/139 "2009-04-25T22:07:50Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > So seriously, did Tampa move up and take Freeman because Denver was about to take him with the next pick? I wonder. They definitely thought they might, or they might trade back and someone else could come get him. I doubt the Broncos were seriously considering it though. At least the Bucs were proactive about it. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336/140 "2009-04-25T22:08:17Z")
Okay, Eagles. Time to make that trade down about 10-15 picks. Get an extra 2 and trade it for Boldin … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2009-nfl-draft-day-conversation/494336.md?page=8)