# 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [June 10, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677 "2010-06-10T17:32:52Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/961 "2010-06-20T15:52:46Z")

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…woo hoo!!! Go Kiwis!!!

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/962 "2010-06-20T15:53:24Z")

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Kiwi, Kiwi, Kiwi! Oy Oy Oy! Or something like that.

Kinda fun to see all these “traditional powers” learn they aren’t all that good anymore.

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**Author:** ![mutantmoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@mutantmoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mutantmoose)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/963 "2010-06-20T15:57:59Z")

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Result of the world cup so far. No doubt.

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**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/964 "2010-06-20T16:03:21Z")

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Year of the Giant-Killers. Seriously, I don’t recall a World Cup where there was so much upset. Even Brazil’s win wasn’t as impressive as it should have been.

I’m nominally for England, of course, but in all honesty i’m really enjoying this tournament so far. It’s always fun to root for the underdog, and this time around there are plenty of underdogs doing well.

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**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/965 "2010-06-20T16:11:23Z")

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**Go, kiwis, go!**

I’m not good enough to not feel Schadenfreude seeing the Italians stumble. But in all fairness: they were much better and, like the Spanish and the German team, suffered from wrong decisions by their coach. And in case you don’t know this: during the World Cup 1982 the Italians played a draw three times in the group stage and won the finale against Germany 3:1! The fat lady hasn’t opened her mouth yet.

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**Author:** ![Khaki\_Campbell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Khaki\_Campbell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khaki_Campbell)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/966 "2010-06-20T16:15:12Z")

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> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> The Incredible Sulk — the perfect name for Anelka.

“Vulgar ethnic scum” would suit better.

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**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/967 "2010-06-20T16:21:21Z")

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Hahaha this is great: The front page of French sports paper _L’Equipe_

[http://www.lequipe.fr/Quotidien/une/une19062010\_hd.jpg](http://www.lequipe.fr/Quotidien/une/une19062010_hd.jpg)

I think that translates as “Go fuck yourself, you dirty son of a whore”.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/968 "2010-06-20T16:23:27Z")

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Doesn’t “va te faire enculer” come closer to meaning “get yourself fucked in the ass”?

Time for the French surrender jokes, anyway.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/969 "2010-06-20T16:31:23Z")

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Really a tremendous World Cup for the Western Hemisphere so far (knock wood) - I don’t think there’s a single team that hasn’t at least met expectations and everyone but Honduras has at least a decent chance of going through to the second round.

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**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/970 "2010-06-20T16:34:36Z")

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Wow. I thought SUI-ESP was going to be the big group shocker.

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**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/971 "2010-06-20T17:05:00Z")

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Nice job New Zealand, they even had a chance to nick it at the end.

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**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/972 "2010-06-20T18:04:10Z")

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> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#):
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> Year of the Giant-Killers. Seriously, I don’t recall a World Cup where there was so much upset.

Maybe 2002, where the South Korea and Turkey made the semi-finals, will keep that crown. But it’s hard to rule out anything now, isn’t it?

The most shocking thing for me is that if you asked me which five European countries were the heavyweights of football, I’d say Spain, England, France, Italy, and Germany. Maybe they’re not the five best teams going in, but they’re certainly the five teams that bring a lot to the table. And all five are still in danger of missing the round of 16. I’d conservatively predict that France and at least one other aren’t going to make it.

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**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/973 "2010-06-20T18:10:01Z")

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Nevermind, found it earlier in the thread

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**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/974 "2010-06-20T18:13:05Z")

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I think it’s whoever has scored the most goals, and if that is equal, whoever has conceded the least.

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**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/975 "2010-06-20T18:38:14Z")

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> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> I think it’s whoever has scored the most goals, and if that is equal, whoever has conceded the least.

Erm, if goal difference is equal, and both teams have scored the same number of goals, then they will have conceded the same number of goals.

After goals scored, it goes right to a coin flip. I suppose it could go to discipline record, but that would favor teams that didn’t play for a card-happy ref, so I guess the coin flip is meant to not favor anybody.

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**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/976 "2010-06-20T18:54:37Z")

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> [@Duke](#):
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> After goals scored, it goes right to a coin flip.

There are [head-to-head tie-breakers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup#Group_stage) before the coin flip.

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**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/977 "2010-06-20T19:00:49Z")

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> [@duality72](#):
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> There are [head-to-head tie-breakers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup#Group_stage) before the coin flip.

# greatest number of points in matches between tied teams;

# goal difference in matches between tied teams;

# greatest number of goals scored in matches between tied teams;

These are only tie-breaking between either two teams which didn’t draw with each other, or between more than two teams. The specific USA-England example won’t fit any of these three tie-breakers.

Meanwhile Brazil looks like it is not going to have to worry about tiebreakers to get out of its group. Ivory Coast should be careful not to go down by more than one goal, lest they go out on tiebreak to either Portugal or The Great Wall of Il.

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**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/978 "2010-06-20T19:47:58Z")

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Nice handball (twice!) from Fabiano to put Brazil up 2-0 over Côte d’Ivoire.

I hate seeing goals off handballs.

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**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/979 "2010-06-20T19:53:01Z")

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A lovely pass from Kaká to Elano to put Brazil up 3-0.

Nice to see one of the favored teams playing competent football.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-fifa-world-cup-south-africa/542677/980 "2010-06-20T19:54:22Z")

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Yeah, seriously, Brazil is playing great.

Still think Denmark - Cameroon was the match of the tournament so far.

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