# 2010: Miss. county schools ordered to comply with desegregation order **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002 "2010-04-14T00:47:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/21 "2010-04-15T14:42:27Z")
> [@missred](#): > > Yes, it’s really sad that desegregation cases are still going on in this century, but let’s not kid ourselves, it happens outside of the south too. Nobody is claiming it does, and this is always a false argument. I spent 25 years in Wisconsin and 10 years in Mississippi. It is much, much worse in Mississippi. Don’t kid yourselves. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/22 "2010-04-15T14:51:23Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The reporter probably enjoyed writing that line. And in ten years this is the first I’ve heard of it. “Well known” my ass! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/23 "2010-04-15T14:56:41Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I’ve got half my kin in rural Louisiana and they ain’t stupid enough to try this (and some of them can by mighty stupid, trust me.). Tylertown is a stone’s throw from Washington Parish. And things are just as bad there IMO. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/24 "2010-04-15T15:13:38Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Nobody is claiming it does, and this is always a false argument. > > I spent 25 years in Wisconsin and 10 years in Mississippi. It is much, much worse in Mississippi. Don’t kid yourselves. > > -Joe Mississippi is 38% black, the highest percentage of black people in any state. These trends hold throughout the South as a whole. [cite](http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html) Wisconsin’s population is about 6% black. [cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin) Are you going to sit here and tell me that’s just a coincidence? Milwaukee,Wisconsin is one of (if not the) most racially segregated cities _in the country_. [cite](http://www.nathanielturner.com/sundowntowns.htm) Wisconsin had its share of Sundown Towns, including Fond du Lac, Appleton, and Manitowoc, each comparable in size to Charleston, West Virginia. [cite](http://www.bluefieldnews.net/columns/051207-kinchen-review.html) So don’t sit there and talk about how Wisconsin isn’t racist. There’s no one there to be racist against; they made sure of that. Does Mississippi have problems? YES But we’ll never know what problems a 38% black Wisconsin would have had; it was deliberately kept from happening. BECAUSE OF RACISM. ---
**Author:** ![Jump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@Jump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jump)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/25 "2010-04-15T15:23:43Z")
So where the fuck does America’s arrogance come from? ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/26 "2010-04-15T15:25:37Z")
> [@Jump](#): > > So where the fuck does America’s arrogance come from? I think it’s a legacy from the old “pioneer spirit” attitude. Once upon a time it was useful but it hasn’t served us well in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/27 "2010-04-15T15:40:35Z")
I don’t think this is meant to be competition about who was the most racist in our recent (and not so recent) past. The big outrage here, for me is that it is two thousand and fucking ten, we have a black President and we still this shit going on on an institutional level. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/28 "2010-04-15T15:44:45Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > So don’t sit there and talk about how Wisconsin isn’t racist. There’s no one there to be racist against; they made sure of that. Does Mississippi have problems? YES But we’ll never know what problems a 38% black Wisconsin would have had; it was deliberately kept from happening. BECAUSE OF RACISM. “Other states are racist too!” would be a lame argument even on the kindergarten states’ playground. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/29 "2010-04-15T15:45:44Z")
I’d vote for many states to go back to kindergarten, and learn how to play well with others. Mine included. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/30 "2010-04-15T15:51:16Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > The big outrage here, for me is that it is two thousand and fucking ten, we have a black President and we still this shit going on on an institutional level. [WAG] I’ll bet the children who were allowed to transfer to the ‘whiter’ public school used to go to Columbia Academy, and the parents got tired of paying for it. So they talked the school district into letting them transfer. [/WAG] ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/31 "2010-04-15T15:53:51Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Mississippi is 38% black, the highest percentage of black people in any state. These trends hold throughout the South as a whole. [cite](http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html) > > Wisconsin’s population is about 6% black. [cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin) Are you going to sit here and tell me that’s just a coincidence? > > Milwaukee,Wisconsin is one of (if not the) most racially segregated cities _in the country_. [cite](http://www.nathanielturner.com/sundowntowns.htm) Wisconsin had its share of Sundown Towns, including Fond du Lac, Appleton, and Manitowoc, each comparable in size to Charleston, West Virginia. [cite](http://www.bluefieldnews.net/columns/051207-kinchen-review.html) > > So don’t sit there and talk about how Wisconsin isn’t racist. There’s no one there to be racist against; they made sure of that. Does Mississippi have problems? YES But we’ll never know what problems a 38% black Wisconsin would have had; it was deliberately kept from happening. BECAUSE OF RACISM. My first 5 words were what, again? If you can find people on here claiming that there isn’t racism in the north, I’d love to see it. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/32 "2010-04-15T15:54:50Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > I’m not going to defend the state. A whole lot of the people here really do suck THAT bad. But if you “[think] that all citizens of Mississippi possessed an antiquated mentality,” You are wrong. I am a citizen of this less-than-great state, and I am progressive and forward thinking. Constance McMillen and her supportive family are citizens of Mississippi. At least some of the people who are fighting against the injustice in this case are citizens of Mississippi. Racism and bigotry are wrong, no matter where you live. They are everywhere, and while I will never say the South isn’t a more racist part of the country, we do not have the sole claim on racism. Much of the North doesn’t have anyone to be racist against; they ran the minorities out decades ago, and have maintained all white enclaves ever since. Or are you going to tell me there aren’t all white school districts, in, say, Iowa? > > Instead of bashing every citizen of the state, let me say that I think this is fucked up, and I’m glad it is beginning to be mended. I hope the newly integrated minorities don’t come to any harm, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they did, I’m afraid. Good for them, though, for trying to stand up to injustice. Only by staying here and fighting can anything ever change. I concur with you Miss Elizabeth.. (and let me add that you were lovely as Macho man’s valet/manager) I spent six years patrolling one of the greatest monuments to racism this country has ever produced.. see link below.. [http://namhenderson.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/768px-robertaylorhome.jpg](http://namhenderson.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/768px-robertaylorhome.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/33 "2010-04-15T16:30:38Z")
> [@Jump](#): > > So where the fuck does America’s arrogance come from? From ignorance, much of it from well meaning plans to help the AA, and in reality were destructive to the AA community. And in many cases desegregation caused more harm then good. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/34 "2010-04-15T16:32:41Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > From ignorance, much of it from well meaning plans to help the AA, and in reality were destructive to the AA community. > > And in many cases desegregation caused more harm then good. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/35 "2010-04-15T16:47:21Z")
**Chicahojeff** – A little more information would help. I’ve never seen the picture you posted, and knew nothing about it. Only by looking at your URL did I learn the name, which _still_ didn’t help, as I’ve never heard of it. Wikipedia gave the following: > **[Robert Taylor Homes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_Homes)** > > Robert Taylor Homes was a public housing project in the Bronzeville neighborhood on the South Side of Chicago, Illinois from 1962 to 2007. The largest housing project in the United States, it consisted of 28 virtually identical high-rises, set out in a linear plan for two miles (3 km), with the high-rises regularly configured in a horseshoe shape of three in each block. It was located along State Street between Pershing Road (39th Street) and 54th Street, east of the Dan Ryan Expressway. The p... I think a lot of people have heard of Cabrini Green, but I know I never heard of Robert Taylor Homes, so your stark and impressive picture had absolutely no meaning for me, with no context. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/36 "2010-04-15T17:36:55Z")
> [@Gangster Octopus](#): > > > [@raindog](#): > > > > And in many cases desegregation caused more harm then good. > > Cite? I think **raindog** is referring to “harm” inflicted by desegregation on white schoolchildren and parents who weren’t actively racist but just didn’t want the quality of their schools “degraded” by an influx of black students who were less affluent and less well-prepared academically than the white students. Poor babies. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/37 "2010-04-15T17:44:33Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > I think it all makes us feel good to decry segregation and, without thinking, assume that desegregation was a universal good, and all those parents who desired their kids be in the best possible school and get the best possible education are/were all virulent racists. Wait…what? Are you saying that segregation isn’t all that bad? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/38 "2010-04-15T18:24:58Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Wait…what? Are you saying that segregation isn’t all that bad? What you don’t know is that he has a blood feud with all bus drivers everywhere, so when he heard of forced busing he had to take the other side. Just because. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/39 "2010-04-15T18:33:37Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > I think it all makes us feel good to decry segregation and, without thinking, assume that desegregation was a universal good … Words fail me. :eek: :rolleyes: ☹ > [@raindog](#): > > … all those parents who desired their kids be in the best possible school and get the best possible education … And damn it, if that means that my (White) kids have to be bused to a school on the other side of town, well I’m all for it…oh wait. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/40 "2010-04-15T19:28:00Z")
Oh yes, America’s arrogance. :rolleyes: As if there is no racism in any other country. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002.md?page=3)