# 2010: Miss. county schools ordered to comply with desegregation order **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002 "2010-04-14T00:47:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/61 "2010-04-18T21:22:47Z")
> [@lshaw](#): > > Oh really. Well here’s something interesting that I read. The Cupertino area of Silicon Valley is upper-middle class and boasts high schools that score 924 out of 1000 on the API index. There are an array of advanced-placement classes, stellar standardized testing scores, and track record of sending graduates to prestigious colleges. And another thing. There are Asians. Lots of them. [Cue the white flight](http://www.realestatejournal.com/buysell/markettrends/20051123-hwang.html). White people in this country are so used to being the dominant majority that any time there is anything like parity or if they become a minority it’s cause for panic. I find that sad and laughable at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/62 "2010-04-18T21:53:14Z")
> [@lshaw](#): > > Oh really. Well here’s something interesting that I read. The Cupertino area of Silicon Valley is upper-middle class and boasts high schools that score 924 out of 1000 on the API index. There are an array of advanced-placement classes, stellar standardized testing scores, and track record of sending graduates to prestigious colleges. And another thing. There are Asians. Lots of them. [Cue the white flight](http://www.realestatejournal.com/buysell/markettrends/20051123-hwang.html). Cupertino is a city, not an area, very near to where I live. Many white parents don’t want their kids to have to compete with the Asian kids, who very often are pressured by their parents to excel academically at the expense of everything else. There’s definitely some racism involved, but the parents want their kids to have a more rounded educational experience, without winding up in the bottom half of the class. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/63 "2010-04-18T22:40:30Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > Actually, I do think that “in many cases” it causes/caused more harm then good. But you haven’t provided any actual examples of NET HARMFUL effects of desegregation, except some cases of lowered educational standards for white students. > [@raindog](#): > > Look at the results. Many/most of these kids did----and still----live in impoverished, crime ridden neighborhoods that are highly segregated. > > Because we’re supposed to believe any of these well intentioned ideas must be good, we take for granted that they are effective. All that says is that many desegregation efforts were not as effective (sometimes nowhere near as effective) as their proponents hoped, which is certainly a valid criticism. But that in no way supports the position that desegregation efforts **did MORE harm than good** , or that the impoverished students would necessarily be better off now if desegregation had never been attempted. The only examples you’ve provided of desegregation actually **doing MORE harm than good** are examples of diminished educational quality for white students. Which—as I noted—is exactly what I figured you were talking about when you claimed that desegregation sometimes caused more harm than good. I think your problem here is that you’re not clear on the difference between “harmful effects” (i.e., desegregation having some negative consequences) and “net harmful effects” (i.e., desegregation having MORE negative consequences than positive consequences). You keep trying to use the two concepts interchangeably, and then get ticked off about being “misquoted” when you’re called on it. ---
**Author:** ![lshaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e36b37/32.png) [@lshaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lshaw)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002/64 "2010-04-19T01:59:57Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Cupertino is a city, not an area, very near to where I live. Many white parents don’t want their kids to have to compete with the Asian kids, who very often are pressured by their parents to excel academically at the expense of everything else. There’s definitely some racism involved, but the parents want their kids to have a more rounded educational experience, without winding up in the bottom half of the class. I know it’s a city. I grew up near there. I probably should have just said Silicon Valley, but I wanted to zone in on a specific area that also included Lynbrook High, which is not in Cupertino. I don’t think the Asian kids there are pressured by their parents to excel academically at the expense of everything else. Many of them are pressured to excel academically _in addition to_ everything else in order to create the picture perfect college application - the piano/violin lessons, the club activities, the volunteer activities, sports, leadership positions, etc. I think it does cause lots of students to be overwhelmed and burn out, but don’t say that those Asian students do nothing but study. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-miss-county-schools-ordered-to-comply-with-desegregation-order/536002.md?page=3)