# 2010 NFC North Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 16, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471 "2010-08-16T23:36:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/121 "2010-09-28T09:40:01Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > > [@Mozart1220](#): > > > > We know who holds the record for playoff games CHOKED away by “kick 6”. > > > > That one is Erin Rodgers. > > Yes, Jay Cutler has never choked away a playoff game, that’s for sure. heh…heh…yeah…hang on to that. Look for the bears in the playoffs this year, but don’t hold your breath waiting for Cutler to choke. I LOVE how ESPN obsesses on “The Packers have had two QB’s since 1993, and the Bears have had 20” Fine, but since the merger FORTY YEARS ago, the Bears and the Packers are each 1-1 in Super Bowls. The Bears last trip? 2006 The Packers? Oh dear…1997. ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/122 "2010-09-28T09:41:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > > [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > > > Neither team would’ve been in the game without him, so that’s why we give him a pass. > > Believe me, I know. I’ve listened to Packer fans for a better part of a decade say the same things. You would think that without Favre, the Packers would have been blowing goats in a Tijuana bar for beer money. And the Vikings with their 10-6 record the previous year and a great run defense and Adrian Peterson would have been selling their plasma for crack. > > Look, he’s a great quarterback. He also is a quarterback who can easily cost your team a game. When you have Brett Favre, that’s what you get. You hope that he’ll be Good Brett and not Bad Brett. > > Enjoy him. Cause we have Aaron Rodgers. Now you need a team around him that can play within the rules. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/123 "2010-09-28T11:08:29Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > > [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > > > Wrong. LMAO - sooooo wrong. Unless you meant that all of Cutler’s interceptions balance out all of Favre’s TDs or something strange like that. > > Who’s 3-0 and plays for the ONLY UNDEFEATED TEAM IN THE NFC? > > Why Jay Cutler of course. > > Not to mention that Baby Brett holds the NFL record for picks. I’m sure if there were a record for how many playoff games were CHOKED away by stupid egotistical picks, it would be Favre. Leave it to a Bears fan to suffer from premature celebration. I had no idea 3 consecutive victories was such a monumental achievement. Win the NFC North first. See if you can do that. For your edification, Favre’s career TD/INT is better than Cutler’s, and it’s not even close. Cutler will not be allowed to play long enough to come close to breaking _ **ANY** _ of Favre’s records. Favre’s stats and record with the Vikings still make Cutler’s with the Bears cry in its furry pillow at night. Your recent success is commendable, but you haven’t won jack yet. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/124 "2010-09-28T11:25:06Z")
Let me put it in terms a Bear’s fan should be able to understand: 3 straight wins to start the season is kinda like starting a bowling game with a Turkey, only less impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/125 "2010-09-28T12:42:27Z")
Wow the Packers laid an egg last night. Countless penalties, not so great coaching, dropped interceptions, crappy special teams play, a complete abandonment of the running game, and an ill timed fumble made it a long night for us Packer fans. They shouldn’t be giving away games like that. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/126 "2010-09-28T13:02:21Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > Let me put it in terms a Bear’s fan should be able to understand: 3 straight wins to start the season is kinda like starting a bowling game with a Turkey, only less impressive. Oh man, how butthurt are you? What’s the matter, did Clay Matthews gouge your eyes this morning? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/127 "2010-09-28T13:05:04Z")
That fumble was forced. It was taken away, not given away. I’ve seen a lot of talk about how the “Packers beat themselves,” etc., but the Bears flat out beat them on several key plays. Hester’s TD return, Julius Peppers’ blocked FG, the stripped fumble on the sidelines – that was Bears making plays, not the Packers giving anything away. Even a lot of the holds and false starts were caused by Green Bay’s O-line being overwhelmed by the pass rush (especially Peppers, who terrorized their backfield all night). Cutler was inept for much of the night, but he made enough plays to win, and the Bears _beat_ the Packers on special teams and on defense. Credit should be given where it’s due. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/128 "2010-09-28T13:13:47Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Oh man, how butthurt are you? What’s the matter, did Clay Matthews gouge your eyes this morning? The team I wanted to win last night won. A swing and a whiff from the SnarkMaster. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/129 "2010-09-28T13:17:02Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > > > Oh man, how butthurt are you? What’s the matter, did Clay Matthews gouge your eyes this morning? > > The team I wanted to win last night won. A swing and a whiff from the SnarkMaster. A bears fans calling all bears fans stupid? Or just hate the packers? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/130 "2010-09-28T13:20:00Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > > [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > > > The team I wanted to win last night won. A swing and a whiff from the SnarkMaster. > > A bears fans calling all bears fans stupid? > > Or just hate the packers? **unwashed brain** is a Vikings fan. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/131 "2010-09-28T13:40:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > **unwashed brain** is a Vikings fan. Yep, since about 1989. I think the Packers are the best team in our division this year, so I rooted for the Bears to upset them. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/132 "2010-09-28T14:43:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That fumble was forced. It was taken away, not given away. I’ve seen a lot of talk about how the “Packers beat themselves,” etc., but the Bears flat out beat them on several key plays. Hester’s TD return, Julius Peppers’ blocked FG, the stripped fumble on the sidelines – that was Bears making plays, not the Packers giving anything away. Even a lot of the holds and false starts were caused by Green Bay’s O-line being overwhelmed by the pass rush (especially Peppers, who terrorized their backfield all night). > > Cutler was inept for much of the night, but he made enough plays to win, and the Bears _beat_ the Packers on special teams and on defense. Credit should be given where it’s due. I think this is a fair assessment of the game. I am a firm believer that the better team wins (like the Saints in the NFC Championship game). Going into Soldier Field and losing on a last seond field goal when the Bears did play particularly well and the Packers not so much is not a disaster by any stretch. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/133 "2010-09-28T15:42:48Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Going into Soldier Field and losing on a last seond field goal when the Bears did play particularly well and the Packers not so much is not a disaster by any stretch. It’s not a disaster, of course. But the Packers beat themselves with the killer penalties, poor coaching decisions, and poor special teams play. Don’t get me wrong, the Bears played well, but the Packers lost that game by their own actions/inactions. The Packers put up 379 yards total offense on the Bears. They got 3 sacks, a fair number of hurries and hits on Cutler, and got one and should have had 4 interceptions. They held Forte to less than 3 ypc. It certainly wasn’t a dominating performace by any stretch, but they played well enough and should have won, but for their own stupid mistakes. Kudos to the Bears for winning the game, but the Packers have no one to blame but themselves. And my god Clifton and Tauscher looked horrid again. It’s like watching them age right before my eyes. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/134 "2010-09-28T16:03:01Z")
The Lions plans have worked perfectly. They threw the first 3 games to lull the opposition into thinking they are really bad. Then ,when the time is right, they will strike. All hail the new bosses, the Detroit Lions. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/135 "2010-09-28T16:56:04Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The Lions plans have worked perfectly. They threw the first 3 games to lull the opposition into thinking they are really bad. Then ,when the time is right, they will strike. All hail the new bosses, the Detroit Lions. They could beat the Packers next week. It’s not out of the question. Their record doesn’t show it (and they got jobbed in that Bears game), but these aren’t the same Lions as usual, especially on defense. Julius Peppers wreaked havoc on the Green Bay offensive line, and I don’t see any reason why the House of Spears can’t do the same thing. If Shaun Hill can establish a rhythm and Megatron and Jahvid Best have good games, the Lions could win. Everything would have to go right for the Lions, and I’m not _predicting_ it, exactly, but I don’t think it’s out of the question. The Packers have some weaknesses there to exploit. If the Kitties can really get up for the game and take it, I think that would be huge for their morale and could really lift them for this season and next. What better place to end their road losing streak than at Lambeau? ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/136 "2010-09-28T17:06:11Z")
How exactly did Detroit get “jobbed” in the Bears game? That rule has been in effect since 2000, and it’s hurt the Bears (once against Detroit in 2004) as much as any team. Why is it suddenly some kind of tragedy when it HELPED the Bears? Detroit was given a TD right before halftime that they didn’t earn. They were holding all day and seldom got called. How is that “jobbed”? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/137 "2010-09-28T17:09:26Z")
I blame the way the rule is written, not the call, but by all rights that was a touchdown catch by Calvin Johnson. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/138 "2010-09-28T17:11:42Z")
You’re a little defensive as a bears fan, by the way. Ease up. I wasn’t trying to trash the Bears, and I gave them credit for catually making significant plays last night. I’m a Vikings fan, so we may not see eye to eye on much, but can we at least agree that we both hate the Packers? ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/139 "2010-09-28T17:17:02Z")
> [@unwashed\_brain](#): > > > [@Mozart1220](#): > > > > Who’s 3-0 and plays for the ONLY UNDEFEATED TEAM IN THE NFC? > > > > Why Jay Cutler of course. > > > > Not to mention that Baby Brett holds the NFL record for picks. I’m sure if there were a record for how many playoff games were CHOKED away by stupid egotistical picks, it would be Favre. > > Leave it to a Bears fan to suffer from premature celebration. I had no idea 3 consecutive victories was such a monumental achievement. Win the NFC North first. See if you can do that. > > \*\*\*Well, we beat the “mighty” Packers, and Dallas, both of whom were picked to go to the Super Bowl before any games were played. Who else you got? Will we be undefeated? Of course not. Am I picking the Bears to go all the way? Certainly not yet. But as the old cliche states, GOOD teams find ways to win, and the Bears have done just that. \*\*\* > For your edification, Favre’s career TD/INT is better than Cutler’s, and it’s not even close. > > \*\*\*Let Cutler play for 20 years and we’ll see. Personally, I think Favre is overratted. ONE Super bowl win, and he wasn’t even MVP. He lost one more and from then on he couldn’t even get there and WHY? He CHOKES, just like his boy Erin in the big games. \*\*\* > > Cutler will not be allowed to play long enough to come close to breaking _ **ANY** _ of Favre’s records. > > \*\*\*Not “allowed”? Why? Is there a rule change none of us have heard of? Actually, you are right. When Cutler’s time comes, he will retire with dignity, not keep coming back (after the yearly “tearful retirement”) to pad his stats. \*\*\* > > Favre’s stats and record with the Vikings still make Cutler’s with the Bears cry in its furry pillow at night. > \*\*\*Yes, laughter can cause tears, and so far his record with the Vikings looks like his last decade with the Packers. A good season with a playoff CHOKE followed by a bad season where he hurts his team trying to grab all the glory for himself. \*\*\* > Your recent success is commendable, but you haven’t won jack yet. > \*\*\*Neither has Favre since 1996. And from the looks of him this season, it will be even longer. Go back to the bayou Drama Momma. \*\*\* I know you have to defend your team, but wow. ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471/140 "2010-09-28T17:21:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That fumble was forced. It was taken away, not given away. I’ve seen a lot of talk about how the “Packers beat themselves,” etc., but the Bears flat out beat them on several key plays. Hester’s TD return, Julius Peppers’ blocked FG, the stripped fumble on the sidelines – that was Bears making plays, not the Packers giving anything away. Even a lot of the holds and false starts were caused by Green Bay’s O-line being overwhelmed by the pass rush (especially Peppers, who terrorized their backfield all night). > > Cutler was inept for much of the night, but he made enough plays to win, and the Bears _beat_ the Packers on special teams and on defense. Credit should be given where it’s due. There you go DTC.. you should forward that to Don Banks, and Mike Florio. It was a good win for the Bears last night. Any sensible Bears fan knows that the Pack have a better team than us on paper.. but last night several elements got together and the game was won. It seems that the Bears being a surprise 3-0 have pissed some people and the predictions off.. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfc-north-discussion-thread/550471.md?page=8)