# 2010 NFL draft. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 3, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542 "2010-01-03T21:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/61 "2010-01-05T21:49:48Z")
That list doesn’t even include Albert Haynesworth, who got $15 million this year in actual salary and bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/62 "2010-01-05T21:51:24Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Does a team want to draft Suh and make a lineman that highly paid? If he gets mega millions .the whole pay scale for lineman might go up. The rookies in the NFL are often the highest paid players on the team. If he gets 8 mill a year, what happens to your established linemen at contract time? He’s much more likely to pan out than any hit-and-hope first round quarterback. Warren Sapp was the highest-paid player on the Buccaneers roster from 2001-2003, and worth every penny. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/63 "2010-01-05T22:07:49Z")
A really good nose tackle can make everybody around him better. I’d say Suh is worth overpaying. If the 49ers can’t resign Abrayo Franklin, I’d be perfectly happy to see them bundle their two first rounders and trade up, but their combined value isn’t quite enough to go all the way up to #1. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/64 "2010-01-05T22:33:55Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > The top 20 2008 salaries: > > 1. QB Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh $ 27,701,920 > 2. DE Jared Allen, Minnesota $ 21,119,256 > 3. WR Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona $ 17,103,480 > 4. QB JaMarcus Russell, Oakland $ 16,872,400 > 5. RB Michael Turner, Atlanta $ 16,003,840 > 6. G Chris Snee, N.Y. Giants $ 14,890,000 > 7. CB Asante Samuel, Philadelphia $ 14,145,000 > 8. WR Randy Moss, New England $ 14,006,720 > 9. T Flozell Adams, Dallas 14,005,760 10 .DT Tommy Kelly, Oakland 13,978,480 > 10. WR Terrell Owens, Dallas $ 13,731,560 > 11. WR Bernard Berrian, Minnesota $ 13,705,000 > 12. T Michael Roos, Tennessee $ 13,505,520 > 13. C Jeff Faine, Tampa Bay $ 13,105,760 > 14. DE Will Smith, New Orleans $ 12,950,000 > 15. QB Tony Romo, Dallas $ 12,886,600 > 16. G Travelle Wharton, Carolina $ 12,850,000 > 17. DE Antwan Odom, Cincinnati $ 12,800,000 > 18. CB Terence Newman, Dallas $ 12,611,240 > 19. RB Marion Barber, Dallas $ 12,522,400 > > That’s 9 linemen, if you count DE. Apropos of nothing, but I looked at that list and burst out laughing. Two names ranked as the most overpaid of all time (JaMarcus Russell and Tommy Kelly) and they’re both on Al Davis’ Raiders. _snort_ ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/65 "2010-01-05T22:36:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That list doesn’t even include Albert Haynesworth, who got $15 million this year in actual salary and bonuses. That list was for 2008, when Haynesworth was a Titan still. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Nene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/da6949/32.png) [@El\_Nene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Nene)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/66 "2010-01-05T22:57:05Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Apropos of nothing, but I looked at that list and burst out laughing. Two names ranked as the most overpaid of all time (JaMarcus Russell and Tommy Kelly) and they’re both on Al Davis’ Raiders. _snort_ Plus Javon Walker barely missed the list. I believe he made 11-12 million in '08. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/67 "2010-01-06T03:54:40Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Here are Jimmy Clausen’s stats from this season, [game by game](http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=231813). Which one did you see? He got killed in the Purdue game, two weeks after he ripped tendons in his toes. I can’t tell by the stats. I remember exactly the specific play that won the game, it was a touchdown pass on a short out route that was caught at the goal line. Looking over the ND games, I thought it might have been the Purdue game, but the game I saw was a day game. I watched the highlights of the ND/Michigan game and saw the exact play… from Michigan. I guess I accidentally transposed that play to the Irish, turns out it wasn’t Clausen at all. Oops! The strange thing? I remembered being uninpressed with Clausen’s throwing motion and his arm strength (turns out I was unimpressed by Michigan’s QB)… and then while searching for this game I saw Todd McShay’s comment about Jimmy Clausen: > [@](#): > > … There are concerns about Clausen’s release and he doesn’t have ideal arm strength, … Weird. > [@](#): > > Vick has an Int% of 3.0. Roethlisberger’s is 5.3%. Sure, his completion percentage sucks (54%), but he had the highest passing rating in D-I coming out of college. Not sure why Tebow would be any different in that regard, other than being slower. I also think he’d be a decent QB (decent being slightly-below-average), but he’d never get full reps like he would as a HB/TE. I think Tebow’s passing ability is certainly better than Pat White’s and probably has a higher ceiling than Vick’s… yet I hear almost no talk about him being a pro QB, and I haven’t heard anything about him being a wildcat QB. It’s all “HB or TE,” when that potential, combined with his skills throwing, makes him an ideal wildcat QB in my mind. It doesn’t seem like opinion shows are giving him any chance in that regard either, which baffles me. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/68 "2010-01-06T17:51:23Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > A really good nose tackle can make everybody around him better. I’d say Suh is worth overpaying. If the 49ers can’t resign Abrayo Franklin, I’d be perfectly happy to see them bundle their two first rounders and trade up, but their combined value isn’t quite enough to go all the way up to #1. But a team in desperate need of QB, WR, LB and CB may be more than happy to trade down for less value but more need in two 1st round picks. Especially since none of those positions offer a reasonable #1 overall choice. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/69 "2010-01-06T18:09:55Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > That list was for 2008, when Haynesworth was a Titan still. So it is. :smack: > [@](#): > > But a team in desperate need of QB, WR, LB and CB may be more than happy to trade down for less value but more need in two 1st round picks. Especially since none of those positions offer a reasonable #1 overall choice. Brandon Spikes might be worthy of the #1 pick at linebacker. Hell, he’s already my pick for DROTY. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/70 "2010-01-06T18:25:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So it is. :smack: > > Brandon Spikes might be worthy of the #1 pick at linebacker. Hell, he’s already my pick for DROTY. You wouldn’t want to put any kind of wager on that, would you? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/71 "2010-01-06T18:27:01Z")
After the draft. Wanna make sure he doesn’t go to Oakland or something. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/72 "2010-01-06T18:27:55Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > After the draft. Wanna make sure he doesn’t go to Oakland or something. I think that’s more than prudent. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/73 "2010-11-24T15:48:11Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Do you see the disconnect in these two posts? > > Also, what metric do you want to go by, and what do you want to wager between McCoy and the field? > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What disconnect? McCoy will probably go in the second round. > > How about passer rating after five years? Update: 10 games into the season, Sam Bradford is the highest rated passer among the field, with a 79 QB rating. Colt McCoy’s passer rating? 85.3. I should have made the bet. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/74 "2010-11-24T18:30:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Update: 10 games into the season, Sam Bradford is the highest rated passer among the field, with a 79 QB rating. > > Colt McCoy’s passer rating? 85.3. > > I should have made the bet. :smack: I don’t think anyone is truly sold on McCoy yet, but Bradford is legit. It would be nice if he had a receiver stay healthy for more than a few games (seriously, can you name his starting WRs right now? I can’t). I think at this point Bradford’s **floor** is a top 10 QB over the next decade, probably discounting next year. Very impressed with him. Very impressed with the Rams building efforts. Hopefully they can get something serious going before SJax is over the hill (and he might be already). ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/75 "2010-11-24T18:59:29Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > I don’t think anyone is truly sold on McCoy yet, but Bradford is legit . . . I think at this point Bradford’s **floor** is a top 10 QB over the next decade, probably discounting next year. Now, I like Bradford just fine, I think he’ll probably be a good (or quite possibly better) pro, and I agree that we don’t yet know what Colt McCoy is … but what are you basing this on? Unless you’re really, really confident in your personal scouting report based on however many NFL games you’ve seen him play, the evidence just isn’t there. His stats are simply not good, even by rookie standards: 27th in passer rating, dead last (33rd) in Y/A, 32nd in DVOA. Yes, his supporting cast is poor, but so is his competition: St. Louis has faced the easiest schedule in the league by DVOA. And Colt McCoy, with probably equally bad supporting players and a much tougher slate of opposing defenses, has put up clearly superior numbers (albeit over fewer games). Of course, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to take their college careers into consideration at this point and to therefore prefer (even strongly prefer) Bradford, but to date his NFL career has not confirmed any kind of lofty expectations. Bradford’s floor is still “Franchise-Murdering Bust.” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/76 "2010-11-24T19:01:54Z")
Bradford has done well with a bunch of who-dat receivers, I’ll admit. The real improvement in St. Louis has been the defense, though; from 27th in total defense to 15th, and from 31st in scoring defense to 8th. By contrast, the offense has improved from 29th to… 27th (in yardage), and 32nd to 28th (scoring). ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/77 "2010-11-25T15:38:52Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > You wouldn’t want to put any kind of wager on that, would you? Just want to dig this back up again. This could have been your second name change here. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/78 "2010-11-26T03:08:15Z")
This one seems to be going rather well, actually - although we still have four and a half seasons to go. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/79 "2011-02-18T17:36:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Update: 10 games into the season, Sam Bradford is the highest rated passer among the field, with a 79 QB rating. > > Colt McCoy’s passer rating? 85.3. > > I should have made the bet. :smack: Up-update: with two 3-interception games to finish the season, McCoy finished 2010 with a 74.5 rating. Bradford finished with a 76.5 rating. Late entrant Tim Tebow finished with an 82.1. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2010-nfl-draft/523542/80 "2011-02-18T20:32:18Z")
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