# 2011 French Open \[TENNIS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 20, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611 "2011-05-20T19:20:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/61 "2011-05-27T17:52:49Z")
Match point for Stan. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/62 "2011-05-27T17:58:28Z")
Wawrinka ousts Tsonga, coming back from 2 sets down. France is crying. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/63 "2011-05-27T17:58:31Z")
Wictory for Wawrinka! He came all the way back, and he’ll meet Federer again in the fourth. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/64 "2011-05-27T18:17:11Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Wictory for Wawrinka! He came all the way back, and he’ll meet Federer again in the fourth. Wawrinka must hate having to match up against Federer again. He plays Fed quite a bit and loses a lot(He’s 1-8 against him). He’s won 3 sets, while Fed has won 18. Wow. He’s never beaten him in a 3 of 5 set match. They are friends, but Fed. blows him away most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/65 "2011-05-28T00:48:40Z")
Djokovic-del Potro was stopped after they split the first two sets. That may be bad for the winner, but it could be good for me since there’s a better chance I’ll get to see them play. Djokovic won the first set and del Potro the second. I’m probably setting myself up for embarrassment, but don’t overlook Kuznetsova on the women’s side. While she has had her own consistency problems, she won the tournament two years ago and it seems to me she has a very nice path into the semis with Hantuchova in the fourth round and Bartoli/Dulko in the quarters if she wins there. If so, she could get Schiavone for a shot at the final. ---
**Author:** ![abbeytxs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@abbeytxs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abbeytxs)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/66 "2011-05-28T01:05:04Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Wawrinka ousts Tsonga, coming back from 2 sets down. > > France is crying. France isn’t the only one crying! I’m feeling a bit misty eyed myself. I knew Tsonga didn’t stand a chance at winning this, but I would have liked to see him make it through a few more rounds. At least France still has Monfils. I feel sorry for Warinka, he is a decent player but he seems to always end up playing Fed. It is really hard to play against a good friend, especially if that friend always ends up beating the crap out of you. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/67 "2011-05-28T07:02:37Z")
Del Potro V Djokovic not before 1 pm local time. They will play on Susanne Lenglen, the same court they started on. The commentators on Eurosport said there was a mini riot outside the court to let the people in who held tickets to see them play on Chatrier. It was moved because of the Tsonga Warinka match went long. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/68 "2011-05-28T12:45:14Z")
Nadal wins so quickly today I didn’t even get to see him. Murray has also passed through to the next round. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/69 "2011-05-28T12:50:23Z")
Wow, I hope Murray is okay. He’s been playing fabulously. But that rolled ankle looks pretty serious, at least when you see it for the 100th time slowed down. :eek: Nadal looked great. Of course, his opponent didn’t really show up so that helped him. Waiting anxiously for the Djokovic/Del Potro continuation. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/70 "2011-05-28T13:30:13Z")
Del Potro is about to take set 3. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/71 "2011-05-28T13:31:37Z")
Uh, nevermind. I read the score wrong. Djoker about to take set 3. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/72 "2011-05-29T12:24:33Z")
Womens draw at the round of 16 is strange: Top 3 seeds on the womens side are now out of the tournament as Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (hate to be signing those autographs) beats #3 Zvonareva. The draw looks wide open. I can’t imagine the bookies have a definitive favorite as they play into the Quarters. and i think Wozniaski retains the #1 spot in the rankings. even though she has only played one only final of a grand Slam event and that was almost three years ago. Mens side: I would bet for the top 4 seeds reaching the semi’s. Nadal possibly has Soderling in the Qtrs, but should beat him. Murray has the 15th seed in the round of 16, and an unseeded player in the quarters. Federer’s quarter is the toughest with all players seeded 14 or below in his quarter still playing. Novak is just playing too well for anyone to beat him before Fed. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/73 "2011-05-29T15:54:22Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > i think Wozniaski retains the #1 spot in the rankings. even though she has only played one only final of a grand Slam event and that was almost three years ago. She was in the final of the U.S. Open in 2009, which is less than two years ago. It makes sense that Wozniacki will be staying at #1 if you consider the fact that her closest competitors - Clijsters and Zvonareva - also lost early. The highest ranking player left is Azarenka, and she came into the tournament with about half as many points as Wozniacki. She’s #1 based on the fact that she made the semis of the U.S. Open in '10 and Australia this year, and has made a ton of other finals. I’d pick against Wozniacki if she’s playing Serena or Clijsters, but those two and the other top players are just not returning consistent results these days. That’s why she’s still number one. Djokovic is about to finish Gasquet in straight sets, and Fabio Fognini - maybe you remember I was his booster last year - has reached his first major quarterfinal by winning a very long match, 11-9 in the fifth. Of course, he gets Djokovic next. Federer didn’t have much trouble with Wawrinka (as always) and he’ll get Ferrer or Monfils next. I still think it’s a really interesting thing that Soderling does so well on clay. I forget which retired champion pointed out recently that Soderling just doesn’t move that well, which keeps him from staying with the top couple of players. You would think that would hurt him on clay because he mostly gets by on sheer power and doesn’t move that well. My theory right now is that the clay doesn’t blunt his power all that much because he just hits so damn hard, and the surface gives him some extra time to get to his opponent’s shots. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/74 "2011-05-29T16:12:31Z")
Schiavone is in trouble here - she’s down 3-4 in the third against Jankovic, and Jankovic has her at 0-30. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/75 "2011-05-29T16:33:17Z")
Schiavone rallied to take that game, broke Jankovic’s serve, and held on to win the match. She’s through to the quarters (against Pavlyuchenkova) and seems to think she can win this thing again. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/76 "2011-05-30T07:15:55Z")
Eurosport was saying that Fognini shouldn’t have gotten treatment during that last set with Montanes It isn’t clear whether it was cramping or an injury. Was it gamesmenship? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/77 "2011-05-30T11:27:53Z")
IMO, we should never have to debate whether or not an injury time out is legitimate because they shouldn’t allow injury timeouts. End of story. Saw the end of Li Na’s match. I’m so impressed with her. And she’s darling in interviews, too. Djokovic is still looking unbeatable to me. Nadal is going to have to come up with another gear if he hopes to beat him. Federer is looking sharper but Djokovic isn’t afraid of him anymore, so that gives Djokovic a huge edge. However, that would be a great match-up (presuming that Federer can take out Nadal). I wonder how Murray’s ankle is doing. Anyone hear? I guess we’ll find out soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/78 "2011-05-30T14:00:54Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Eurosport was saying that Fognini shouldn’t have gotten treatment during that last set with Montanes It isn’t clear whether it was cramping or an injury. Was it gamesmenship? Well, he pulled of of the next match with Djoko, so Djoko is through and has 4 days off. Mats Wilander said it too many days might hurt him in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/79 "2011-05-31T04:17:26Z")
So Djokovic into the semis already as stated and more than likely will be playing Federer, what odds are you all giving Novak to make it to the finals? And what about Nadal v. Soderling? I’ve been able to watch about two hours of this whole tournament, Nadal not included, so I hear his play is pretty “meh” compared to what we’ve seen. Another win for Soderling if he keeps a cool head? Also, some women are playing in this tournament too. Thoughts on them? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611/80 "2011-05-31T12:52:40Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Eurosport was saying that Fognini shouldn’t have gotten treatment during that last set with Montanes It isn’t clear whether it was cramping or an injury. Was it gamesmenship? I think that question was answered when Fognini withdrew a full day before he was even supposed to play the biggest match of his career. > [@PunditLisa](#): > > IMO, we should never have to debate whether or not an injury time out is legitimate because they shouldn’t allow injury timeouts. End of story. What purpose would that serve? What I would like to do here is link to footage of Shuzo Matsuoka rolling around on the ground with leg cramps during the '95 U.S. Open, but I can’t find it online. [The New York Times described it this way](http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/29/sports/us-open-95-matsuoka-crumples-in-pain-and-defaults.html): > [@](#): > > Frenetic and unsympathetic as ever, the United States Open got under way yesterday in typically dramatic fashion: Shuzo Matsuoka of Japan wound up screaming in agony after cramping and collapsing on the hot, hard Grandstand Court. > > Comfort has never been an Open staple, but only Matsuoka, whose breakdown mandated his being defaulted from his match with Petr Korda, was targeted for unduly harsh treatment. > … > The 64th-ranked Matsuoka was locked in a 6-7 (4-7), 7-6 (7-4), 7-6 (10-8), 5-5 struggle with the erratic Korda, a former top 10 player who has never had a respectable result at the Open, when the cramps that began in his left thigh at the start of the fourth set finally crippled him altogether. > > Matsuoka and Korda appeared destined for a fourth consecutive tie breaker when the Japanese player, up two sets and a break, fell with a thud and a yelp to the hardcourt after serving the opening point of the 11th game. > … > That game, and the match, was eventually awarded to Korda after Matsuoka, looking more like a casualty of the boxing ring than the tennis court, was defaulted for failing to get up and get on with match. > … > Due to what Korda later called a rather ruthless rule in the tennis playbook, Matsuoka initially had to be left untouched as he screamed in pain. Since cramping is considered as a loss of conditioning and not an actual injury, the player would have been instantly defaulted if a trainer, or his alarmed opponent, had touched him. > [@](#): > > Djokovic is still looking unbeatable to me. Nadal is going to have to come up with another gear if he hopes to beat him. Federer is looking sharper but Djokovic isn’t afraid of him anymore, so that gives Djokovic a huge edge. However, that would be a great match-up (presuming that Federer can take out Nadal). Federer and Djokovic will play in the semis if Federer beats Monfils. Nadal is on the other side of the draw, and he makes the semis he’ll get Murray or Troicki. Murray made a great comeback yesterday, but Troicki is about to serve for the match at 5-3 in the fith. Schiavone was just about blown off the court in the first set. We’ll see if she can bounce back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-french-open-tennis/582611.md?page=5)