# 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486 "2010-09-29T16:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/221 "2010-10-01T17:04:25Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > “Keyboards” was always shorthand for electronic keyboard instruments. I was was a working musician for a long time and never heard anybody call a piano a “keyboard.” They called them pianos. > > So, when you said this: > [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] > Yes, the E Street band would be better without the keyboards, in my opinion. you meant only the synths, not the piano, organ and accordion? [/QUOTE] They’d be better witout any of that horseshit, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/222 "2010-10-01T17:05:51Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Keyboards have never improved a song. > > This basic position is ludicrous - and I state that as one of the biggest guitar geeks on the Dope. You are welcome to feel that way, but then to assert “expertise in rock” is a non-starter. Whether or not the person making this statement can see that is immaterial. > > Given that, can we just move on? i’m not the one who’s keeping this going ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/223 "2010-10-01T17:12:28Z")
> [@](#): > > I can guarantee you that a bunch of people will come in to echo your paraphrase, jumping up and down, howling and flinging poo at the same time. Will you give your case a rest, **Hentor** , if we all admit that we can’t live up to your tough minded individualism? I for one react badly to **Dio** because he’s the only poster on the SDMB who ever expresses contrary opinions to anything I believe, and I’m a silly wanker who can’t bear that sort of affront to my correctness. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/224 "2010-10-01T17:15:25Z")
> [@MTCicero](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Roll your eyes all you want, but that was the culture of the subgenre I was part of in the 80’s and 90’s. The kind of people I jammed with listened to none of that stuff on your list. If it had keyboards it wasn’t metal. You don’t have to agree with that, but I assure, you that’s how they thought. **It was largely a reaction against synth-pop and new wave (stuff like the Talking Heads was exactly what we despised)**. > > This good enough for you, Mom? yes, thanks little one. Now everyone can see the context of the comment. People within the subculture of metal in the 80s despised what they regarded as synth pop. This is a surprise to you, or is somehow offensive? I remember an argument with a friend who was into metal about my liking Billy Joel, who he dismissed because of the keyboard issue. Yikes! Who knew I failed to take sufficient umbrage? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/225 "2010-10-01T17:15:35Z")
I want to hear more about what Hentor thinks of Dio. He hasnt really mentioned it in this thread yet… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/226 "2010-10-01T17:16:57Z")
TWEEEEEET!\* This is ridiculous. Effective immediately, the hijack about keyboards, **Diogenes the Cynic** ’s personality, and anything else related to either is off limits. \*I hate using the stupid “tweet” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/227 "2010-10-01T17:18:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Stoid](#): > > > > The fact that Dio clearly does not comprehend what an opinion actually _ **is** _ goes a long way to explaining why he believes his are the gospel. > > That’s not an opinion about her, it’s an opinion about Rush. Oh, jeez, c’mon. Even I can’t let this go. Comparing one artist to another is terms of “worthiness” is certainly indicating an opinion on _both_. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/228 "2010-10-01T17:28:07Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I want to hear more about what Hentor thinks of Dio. He hasnt really mentioned it in this thread yet… This is an accurate statement. I haven’t, because it is not relevant. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/229 "2010-10-01T18:05:23Z")
> [@Sigmagirl](#): > > Alice Cooper > Beastie Boys > Bon Jovi > Chic > Neil Diamond > Donovan > Dr. John > J. Geils Band > LL Cool J > Darlene Love > Laura Nyro > Donna Summer > Joe Tex > Tom Waits > Chuck Willis > > Who will get in? Who _will_ get in? Discuss. Getting back to the actual topic… My picks for who should get in: Alice Cooper LL Cool J Chic Darlene Love Neil Diamond (Actually, I’m kind of tempted to vote for both LL Cool J and the Beasties and both Chic and Donna Summer but decided to limit myself to one rap and one disco act.) Who I suspect will get in: Alice Cooper (Seems like a non-brainer to me. Of course I thought that about the Stooges when they were first nominated in 2009 and they had to wait another year.) LL Cool J (Suspect the Hall will want to induct a rap act, and they’ll go with the black one over the white one. The Beastie Boys will probably make it in 2013, since in 2012 I’m betting they’ll get passed over in favor of Public Enemy.) Chic (Suspect the Hall will want a dance/disco act and Chic has better critics cred than Donna Summer. Although I won’t be completely surprised if they go with Summer and instead induct Chic’s Nile Rogers & Bernard Edwards in the ‘non-performers’ category as a recognition of their production work.) Joe Tex (Beneficiary of the same pressure to include more R&B/soul acts that got Bobby Womack in during 2009) J. Geils Band (They’re a fav of critic Dave Marsh who, along with Jann Wenner and former HOF Foundation director Suzan Evans, is one of the big three controlling nominations.) ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/230 "2010-10-01T18:14:57Z")
Back to the question of who _will_ get in, vs. who _should_ get in, do not underestimate the importance of being alive and willing to show up at the ceremonies to add to one’s chances. Regardless of your feelings about the individual artists’ merit, it cannot be denied that Alice Cooper, Bon Jovi, Neil Diamond, J. Geils, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, and Donna Summer would put on a hell of a show. Bernard Edwards is dead, but Nile Rodgers still tours with Chic, and they would play the shit out of “Good Times” and probably make it the anthem for the evening. Chuck Willis, Laura Nyro, and Joe Tex are dead. Donovan, Dr. John, Darlene Love, and Tom Waits are less flashy than the other nominees and would provide needed balance. I also think it would be very interesting to discuss who would induct each of these nominees upon election. They often find an artist who has been heavily influenced by the inductee, and/or someone considered a “latter-day” version of the inductee. Like members of Duran Duran for Chic. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/231 "2010-10-01T18:52:35Z")
Of the nominees listed, I think Chic stands out as one of the bands that definitely should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, if not this year then at least at some point. Besides the production skills of Rodgers and Edwards, they were both excellent at songwriting and their respective instruments. Bernard Edwards might have been the best disco bassist of all time. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/232 "2010-10-01T19:38:08Z")
> [@Sigmagirl](#): > > Back to the question of who _will_ get in, vs. who _should_ get in, do not underestimate the importance of being alive and willing to show up at the ceremonies to add to one’s chances. Regardless of your feelings about the individual artists’ merit, it cannot be denied that Alice Cooper, Bon Jovi, Neil Diamond, J. Geils, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, and Donna Summer would put on a hell of a show. Bernard Edwards is dead, but Nile Rodgers still tours with Chic, and they would play the shit out of “Good Times” and probably make it the anthem for the evening. > > Chuck Willis, Laura Nyro, and Joe Tex are dead. Donovan, Dr. John, Darlene Love, and Tom Waits are less flashy than the other nominees and would provide needed balance. > > I also think it would be very interesting to discuss who would induct each of these nominees upon election. They often find an artist who has been heavily influenced by the inductee, and/or someone considered a “latter-day” version of the inductee. Like members of Duran Duran for Chic. 😛 Good point about who can and will perform. If Tom Waits gets in, I love love to see Elvis Costello induct him. Years ago, there was a Roy Orbison television special called [Roy Orbison and Friends, A Black and White Night](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Orbison_and_Friends,_A_Black_and_White_Night). It had an all-star band which included Waits on organ and Costello on guitar. Waits was so drunk he couldn’t function, and Costello helped him away from the organ and took over playing it. So, I’d love to see it, but it probably won’t happen. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/233 "2010-10-01T20:25:53Z")
So we’re picking five? Neil Diamond Chic Tom Waits L.L. Cool J - gotta hand it to him, he’s the rare long-lasting rap/hip-hop act. Donovan ---
**Author:** ![smoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@smoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smoke)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/234 "2010-10-01T20:31:52Z")
> [@Sigmagirl](#): > > …Tom Waits are less flashy than the other nominees and would provide needed balance. This entirely depends on which Tom Waits shows up. I wouldn’t call anything he’s done recently as “less flashy” necessarily. ---
**Author:** ![Evelyn\_K.Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Evelyn\_K.Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evelyn_K.Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/235 "2010-11-12T20:12:47Z")
Last month the nominees were posted for 2011 induction to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Nominees include Alice Cooper, Beastie Boys, Bon Jovi, Chic, Neil Diamond, Donovan, Dr. John, J. Geils Band, LL Cool J, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Donna Summer, Joe Tex, Tom Waits & Chuck Willis. How do you feel about this list and do you think there should be artists added/deleted from it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/236 "2010-11-12T20:16:15Z")
The only ones I would vote for would be Neil Diamond, Darlene Love and Chuck Willis. The rest don’t belong there. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/237 "2010-11-12T20:19:15Z")
There was a thread about this a couple of months ago. It’s ridiculous that KISS isn’t in the hall of fame, but they’re deciding whether the J. Geils Band should be. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/238 "2010-11-12T20:33:34Z")
Once again, Leon Russell is not on the list… ---
**Author:** ![Evelyn\_K.Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Evelyn\_K.Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evelyn_K.Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/239 "2010-11-12T23:22:32Z")
I agree it is time that KISS get inducted. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/240 "2010-11-12T23:24:45Z")
Agreed. Someone should totally start a facebook page called “KISS deserves to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486.md?page=13)