# 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486 "2010-09-29T16:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/121 "2010-09-30T22:25:29Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > While the arguments can be made pro and con for Rush and Kiss being in the HOF, how can anyone argue they don’t even deserve to be on the list of potential nominees? I’m really quite curious if an argument against them can be really be made. Particularly when it comes to Rush, I’d really like to hear one. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/122 "2010-09-30T22:26:10Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If you read my posts on music, you’ll only come away more educated. Hasn’t happened yet, keep trying, Mr. Expert. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/123 "2010-09-30T22:37:03Z")
You need to read more of them. Your chracterization of them is not very accurate. Most of my posts about music do no particularly relate to my personal experience as a musician. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/124 "2010-09-30T23:06:29Z")
SHOULD: (and please don’t take this as a reflection of my personal TASTE, I just acknowledge the status, contribution and influence of my picks) > [@Sigmagirl](#): > > Alice Cooper > Beastie Boys > Neil Diamond > LL Cool J > Donna Summer > Tom Waits Yeah, it’s six. Sue me. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/125 "2010-10-01T00:02:35Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You need to read more of them. Your chracterization of them is not very accurate. Most of my posts about music do no particularly relate to my personal experience as a musician. Reading more of your posts is not anything an intelligent person would actively seek. I guess I will continue to read them, as I don’t use the ignore function and don’t usually look at who posted something before I read it. Your ignorance of music is immense, especially compared to your regard of your knowledge. It has always been so, and given your tremendous hubris, I expect that won’t change. Count me as one who never expects to be enlightened by anything you post. I remain open to being surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/126 "2010-10-01T00:38:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Rock and roll is guitars, bass, drums and vocals. It’s minimalist. it’s stripped down. The focus is supposed to be on the guitar. Horn sections have no place in rock and roll. I don’t even like keyboards. Your knowledge of rock music may be deep, but it’s very very narrow. Not very interesting to be honest. I have no opinion one way or the other, but that’s because I’m mostly ignorant about her. I try to avoid expressing opinions about things I don’t know much about. Kraftwerk isn’t in? That’s criminal. You’ll be hard-pressed to come up with a dozen more influential bands. They practically invented a whole genre of music (and if you get a chance to see them live, go!). ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/127 "2010-10-01T00:57:27Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Rock and roll is guitars, bass, drums and vocals. It’s minimalist. it’s stripped down. The focus is supposed to be on the guitar. Horn sections have no place in rock and roll. I don’t even like keyboards. > > Your knowledge of rock music may be deep, but it’s very very narrow. Not very interesting to be honest. I have no opinion one way or the other, but that’s because I’m mostly ignorant about her. I try to avoid expressing opinions about things I don’t know much about. Yeah, this thread is just getting _sad_. It’s like someone whose view of painting begins and ends with Thomas Kincade. I mean, I could point out that, from this ridiculously limited definition huge swaths of songs would be excluded from definitive bands. But as he keeps using his lame computer as an excuse why he can’t hear music (I don’t buy it - people throw computers good enough to play YouTube clips away every day). By his inane definition, Springsteen would not be “Rock’n’Roll” because he features both horns and keyboards. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/128 "2010-10-01T01:05:50Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I like guitar rock. I am an encyclopedia of _guitar_ rock. As far as I’m concerned, guitar rock is the _only_ rock. You have defined your limitations. Your limitations are not the limitations of the rest of the musical universe, which pretty widely accepts using the term “Rock N Roll” to loosely refer to most of the popular music produced after…1955? 1960? This includes vast, vast numbers of brilliant musicians and artists who are miles away from what you, in your self-defined limitations, consider rock n roll to be, ranging from pre-electric Dylan to probably the entire output of Motown and much, much more. Therefore, since you are, by your own admission, exceedingly narrow in your view and your knowledge, it is a tad unseemly for you to declare that you are the last word in who should be included in the HoF. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/129 "2010-10-01T01:22:24Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I’m not at all familiar with Laura Nyro either. I’ll believe you if you tell me that she has been influential as a song writer. I am familiar with Eli’s Coming. It’s a good song. However, as a fan visiting the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I’m still going to pass by the display pertaining to Laura Nyro and go, “Hmmm, who? Oh yeah, right, she wrote Eli’s Coming” and then move on. I can understand this point of view. But the purpose of the Hall is education. And Laura Nyro was someone that a lot of musicians listened to, whether or not she sold a huge number of records - like the old saw about the MC5 that “they only sold 5000 copies of their album but everyone who bought it started a band”. > [@](#): > > I wouldn’t really oppose her induction in the same way that I would Donna Summer or other non-Rock and Roll acts… “Hot Stuff” and “Bad Girls” contain two from my personal list of the top ten rock guitar solos of all time. > [@](#): > > …since she was actually involved in Rock and Roll, but all the acts listed by Astorian (except Pat Boone) deserve to go in before someone who wrote Eli’s Coming. She deserves to be inducted because she was profoundly influential, and the HoF can explain her influence to people who might never have heard of her. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/130 "2010-10-01T01:41:10Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > You need to read more of them. Your chracterization of them is not very accurate. Most of my posts about music do no particularly relate to my personal experience as a musician. > > Reading more of your posts is not anything an intelligent person would actively seek. I guess I will continue to read them, as I don’t use the ignore function and don’t usually look at who posted something before I read it. Your ignorance of music is immense, especially compared to your regard of your knowledge. It has always been so, and given your tremendous hubris, I expect that won’t change. Count me as one who never expects to be enlightened by anything you post. I remain open to being surprised. This post alone shows a tremendous ignorance of my own posts. I don’t mind criticism, but at least make the criticism accurate. I guarantee you, I’ve lost more knowledge of music to brain damage from pot than you will ever acquire in your life. ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/131 "2010-10-01T01:41:11Z")
I have just realised Janet Jackson is eligible but never nominated - she should be hot on the heels of Madonna into the Hall of Fame, in my opinion. For a period her success was up there with her brother and she had a profound influence on female pop (especially music videos and live performance) from the nineties onward. I guess they’re going one female-pop-diva-type artist at a time, Madonna in 2008, Donna Summer probably this year or next, then I’d bet on Janet or Kate Bush being next. It’s fun to read through who will become eligible within the next few years - can’t wait for the Straight Dope discussion in 2019 about whether Daft Punk, Brandy, Marilyn Manson, Usher and Korn are Hall of Fame-worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/132 "2010-10-01T01:42:34Z")
None of the Jacksons are rock. ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/133 "2010-10-01T01:44:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > None of the Jacksons are rock. That’s super. _thumbs up_ ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/134 "2010-10-01T01:48:13Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I like guitar rock. I am an encyclopedia of _guitar_ rock. As far as I’m concerned, guitar rock is the _only_ rock. > > You have defined your limitations. No, I’ve defined my preferences. It is not all I know. I have formal training in classical music and also have a good working knowledge of some other forms like jazz, blues and even have some personal eccentric interests in certain kinds of ethnic music. What I don’t concern myself with is fucking pap like Barbara Streisand. Can you even play an instrument? Don’t try to lecture people who know more than you, ok? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/135 "2010-10-01T01:51:17Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > > [@Yookeroo](#): > > > > Your knowledge of rock music may be deep, but it’s very very narrow. Not very interesting to be honest. I have no opinion one way or the other, but that’s because I’m mostly ignorant about her. I try to avoid expressing opinions about things I don’t know much about. > > Yeah, this thread is just getting _sad_. It’s like someone whose view of painting begins and ends with Thomas Kincade. I mean, I could point out that, from this ridiculously limited definition huge swaths of songs would be excluded from definitive bands. But as he keeps using his lame computer as an excuse why he can’t hear music (I don’t buy it - people throw computers good enough to play YouTube clips away every day). By his inane definition, Springsteen would not be “Rock’n’Roll” because he features both horns and keyboards. I was talking about my preferences, not my range of actual knowledge. In my opinion, Springsteen would be better without the stupid fucking horns, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know Springsteen. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/136 "2010-10-01T01:57:34Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > “Hot Stuff” and “Bad Girls” contain two from my personal list of the top ten rock guitar solos of all time. And Voodoo Child has one of my top 10 favorite disco guitar solos of all time. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/137 "2010-10-01T01:58:36Z")
> [@multimediac17](#): > > I guess they’re going one female-pop-diva-type artist at a time, Madonna in 2008, Donna Summer probably this year or next, then I’d bet on Janet or Kate Bush being next. Kate deserves to be in it, but I believe there is an unwritten rule that they are only going to nominate a living artist if they can be expected to perform at the Induction ceremony. Based on his posts in this thread, by mental image of **Diogenes** is now an unholy amalgam of various Jack Black roles: The musical snobbery of his character in _[High Fidelity](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0146882/)_, the evangelism for his definition of rock in _[School of Rock](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0332379/)_ but mostly all the lame bits from _[Tenacious D in The Pick of Destiny](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365830/)_. I’m now reading all his posts aloud in my head in Jack Black’s voice. ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/138 "2010-10-01T02:02:23Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > > [@multimediac17](#): > > > > I guess they’re going one female-pop-diva-type artist at a time, Madonna in 2008, Donna Summer probably this year or next, then I’d bet on Janet or Kate Bush being next. > > Kate deserves to be in it, but I believe there is an unwritten rule that they are only going to nominate a living artist if they can be expected to perform at the Induction ceremony. Madonna didn’t, but the Stooges did some of her songs at the ceremony, so maybe Kate could work something like that out. She did miss out on a BRIT Award for lifetime achievement though, because they require the recipient to perform. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/139 "2010-10-01T02:13:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > …In my opinion, Springsteen would be better without the stupid fucking horns, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know Springsteen. Really? I couldn’t disagree more. Would the E Street Band be better off without the piano and keyboards too? Your definition of Rock is garage band rock. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/140 "2010-10-01T02:19:39Z")
Yes, the E Street band would be better without the keyboards, in my opinion. I don’t like keyboards. They detract from the guitars, and I think they dilute the rock. That’s my opinion. I come from a hard rock background which (at least in my day) was a culture where keyboards were seen as anathema. Pussy. Automatically pop. It’s fair to say that garage bands are my personal ideal of what constitutes rock, but that doesn’t mean they’re all I KNOW of rock, and I’m entitled to have an ideal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486.md?page=8)