# 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486 "2010-09-29T16:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/141 "2010-10-01T02:20:41Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > like the old saw about the MC5 that “they only sold 5000 copies of their album but everyone who bought it started a band”. That quote was about the Velvet Underground (and Lou Reed’s musical saw). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/142 "2010-10-01T02:24:41Z")
Springsteen is better when it’s just him and a guitar. So is Johnny Cash. I love minimalism. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/143 "2010-10-01T02:36:39Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Crotalus](#): > > > > Reading more of your posts is not anything an intelligent person would actively seek. I guess I will continue to read them, as I don’t use the ignore function and don’t usually look at who posted something before I read it. Your ignorance of music is immense, especially compared to your regard of your knowledge. It has always been so, and given your tremendous hubris, I expect that won’t change. Count me as one who never expects to be enlightened by anything you post. I remain open to being surprised. > > This post alone shows a tremendous ignorance of my own posts. I don’t mind criticism, but at least make the criticism accurate. I guarantee you, I’ve lost more knowledge of music to brain damage from pot than you will ever acquire in your life. Dio, you get more pathetic with every post. You have no idea what you are talking about, or what I know about music. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/144 "2010-10-01T02:55:27Z")
And yet you know everything I know, right? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/145 "2010-10-01T03:02:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > And yet you know everything I know, right? Nope. Congrats, another Dio derailment, and I helped. You are pathetic. I guess I’m another enabler. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/146 "2010-10-01T03:04:17Z")
Take it to the Pit, man. I didn’t derail anything. All I did was say I never heard of somebody. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/147 "2010-10-01T03:33:19Z")
I’ve never heard of Laura Nyro – so would she be kind of like a Lilith Fair sort of type? > [@gaffa](#): > > > [@Yookeroo](#): > > > > Your knowledge of rock music may be deep, but it’s very very narrow. Not very interesting to be honest. I have no opinion one way or the other, but that’s because I’m mostly ignorant about her. I try to avoid expressing opinions about things I don’t know much about. > > Yeah, this thread is just getting _sad_. It’s like someone whose view of painting begins and ends with Thomas Kincade. I mean, I could point out that, from this ridiculously limited definition huge swaths of songs would be excluded from definitive bands. But as he keeps using his lame computer as an excuse why he can’t hear music (I don’t buy it - people throw computers good enough to play YouTube clips away every day). By his inane definition, Springsteen would not be “Rock’n’Roll” because he features both horns and keyboards. Or the Doors. What’s interesting is that in about four years, Nirvana will be eligible – _Bleach_ was released in 1989. (God, I’m feeling old) ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/148 "2010-10-01T04:05:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’ve never heard of Laura Nyro – so would she be kind of like a Lilith Fair sort of type? Not really but she was a definite precursor. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/149 "2010-10-01T04:10:11Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > > [@Guinastasia](#): > > > > I’ve never heard of Laura Nyro – so would she be kind of like a Lilith Fair sort of type? > > Not really but she was a definite precursor. A decent list of female songwriters who cite her as an influence could be started with [this tribute album](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_and_Love:_The_Music_of_Laura_Nyro). ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/150 "2010-10-01T04:16:48Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Stoid](#): > > > > You have defined your limitations. > > Don’t try to lecture people who know more than you, ok? A. I didn’t lecture anyone. B. I don’t believe, from what you’ve said, that you know more than I do about popular music over the past 50 years. Telling people you know things is evidence of nothing. What you’ve demonstrated most clearly is what you don’t know, not what you do. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/151 "2010-10-01T04:32:58Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Don’t try to lecture people who know more than you, ok? > > A. I didn’t lecture anyone. > > B. I don’t believe, from what you’ve said, that you know more than I do about popular music over the past 50 years. > > Telling people you know things is evidence of nothing. What you’ve demonstrated most clearly is what you don’t know, not what you do. If I am ever at a Dopefest with **Diogenes the Cynic** , I’d like to participate in a Rock trivia contest against him - general knowledge of music during the “rock era”, no web searches allowed. I do not claim to be some sort of “fucking rock encyclopedia” but I think I’ve shown that I am, at the very least, familiar with all the artists nominated for the Rock’n’Roll Hall of Fame this year. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/152 "2010-10-01T04:35:09Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Springsteen is better when it’s just him and a guitar. So is Johnny Cash. I love minimalism. Eh, Springsteen is just [the male Carolyne Mas](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg3sDnhAljQ). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/153 "2010-10-01T04:36:19Z")
Half of whom are not rock. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/154 "2010-10-01T04:37:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I come from a hard rock background which (at least in my day) was a culture where keyboards were seen as anathema. Pussy. Automatically pop. Well yeah, everyone knows that The Who, Genesis, The Doors, The Beatles, Van Halen, Yes, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Nine Inch Nails, The Cure, Iron Butterfly, Faces, The Stones, Traffic, Talking Heads, Faith No More, The Grateful Dead and Bowie were all churning out Pussy Pop. You know what they say about holes and digging, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/155 "2010-10-01T04:37:55Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Springsteen is better when it’s just him and a guitar. So is Johnny Cash. I love minimalism. > > Eh, Springsteen is just [the male Carolyne Mas](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg3sDnhAljQ). I don’t have any audio on my computer. These video links are useless to me. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/156 "2010-10-01T04:39:25Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I come from a hard rock background which (at least in my day) was a culture where keyboards were seen as anathema. Pussy. Automatically pop. > > Well yeah, everyone knows that The Who, Genesis, The Doors, The Beatles, Van Halen, Yes, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Nine Inch Nails, The Cure, Iron Butterfly, Faces, The Stones, Traffic, Talking Heads, Faith No More, The Grateful Dead and Bowie were all churning out Pussy Pop. > > You know what they say about holes and digging, I’m sure. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You should let this drop. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/157 "2010-10-01T05:01:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You don’t know what you’re talking about. You should let this drop. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/158 "2010-10-01T05:09:34Z")
Roll your eyes all you want, but that was the culture of the subgenre I was part of in the 80’s and 90’s. The kind of people I jammed with listened to none of that stuff on your list. If it had keyboards it wasn’t metal. You don’t have to agree with that, but I assure, you that’s how they thought. It was largely a reaction against synth-pop and new wave (stuff like the Talking Heads was exactly what we despised). I listened to sme of the stuff on that list, but I always did then and still do think that keyboards tainted the product and watered it down. ETA, we liked Van Halen until they brought in he keyboards. Once they did that, they were seen as sellouts. I still won’t listen to anything they made after _1984_. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/159 "2010-10-01T05:10:53Z")
And let’s not forget that fucking pioneers of rock, like Ray Charles and Jerry Lee Lewis were piano players. ETA: keyboards “tainted” rock? NIN is “watered down”? Dude, you need help. **Stoid** – don’t forget Led Zeppelin. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/160 "2010-10-01T05:14:50Z")
Ray Charles wasn’t rock. I never knew anybody who actually listened to Jerry Lee Lewis. I guess they would have called him “rock and roll,” but only in a sort of quaint sense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486.md?page=9)