# 2011 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486 "2010-09-29T16:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/161 "2010-10-01T05:15:36Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And let’s not forget that fucking pioneers of rock, like Ray Charles and Jerry Lee Lewis were piano players. Or that the first sound in [what is widely considered the first “rock” song](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbfnh1oVTk0) was a piano. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/162 "2010-10-01T05:17:56Z")
I’m not much into piano rock either, but just to be clear, by "keyboards,"I was talking about synthesizers. I never heard people call pianos “keyboards.” we called them pianos. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/163 "2010-10-01T05:19:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I listened to sme of the stuff on that list, but I always did then and still do think that keyboards tainted the product and watered it down. And this is the guy who started the poll on the keyboard-crammed [Bat Out Of Hell](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=579155). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/164 "2010-10-01T05:31:41Z")
It would be better without the keyboards, but I like songwriting above all else, and that record has great songwriting. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/165 "2010-10-01T05:32:40Z")
_bangs head on keyboard_ eaojernoieanoirjmnoeianiornaejgoieawjoin3eorj309q2ur540392 ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/166 "2010-10-01T05:40:40Z")
I thought this thread was about The 2011 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees, but I seemed to have received an unwanted ticket to The Dio Show: Neverending Edition. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/167 "2010-10-01T05:46:18Z")
I didn’t start it. All I did was ask who somebody was. I can’t say a fucking thing without getting piled on anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/168 "2010-10-01T05:47:01Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > * * * “we” “us” “people I jammed with” “subgenre” and of course… "If it had keyboards it wasn’t metal. This is a crystal clear example of the problem you get into all the time. You equate your opinion, your experience, your group…with some larger truth. In this case, your passion for 80’s METAL somehow became you dismissing some of the greatest musicians in rock and roll as every thing from “pussy” and “pop” to simply “not rock”. Why do you feel compelled to do this? Are you unaware of it? You’re perfectly entitled to prefer what you prefer, and no one would argue. But your preferences do not define rock! You’re also doing some interesting backpedaling now that you’ve had it pointed out to you what a major role KEYBOARDS play in rock. > [@](#): > > I never knew anybody who actually listened to Jerry Lee Lewis. I guess they would have called him “rock and roll,” but only in a sort of quaint sense. Well, that’s because, as you’ve now clarified, your frame of reference is defined by a group of people who, like you, focused pretty exclusively on 80’s metal and dissed everything else. But you and your crowd were not, and are not, the arbiters of anything except what you particularly like. And that leads to you making sad little comments like this. Dio, the world and human experience are so much larger than you. Absorbing that reality would save you a lot of grief. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/169 "2010-10-01T05:48:06Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I didn’t start it. All I did was ask who somebody was. I can’t say a fucking thing without getting piled on anymore. that is not what you did, and you know it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/170 "2010-10-01T05:51:17Z")
I’m talking about how THEY thought, not necessarily myself (though I wan’t far away from them philosophically). My range of knowledge was much larger than most of the guys I jammed with. I used to buy all kinds of songbooks, including a lot of oldies and pop standards (I mean seriously un-rock stuff like Bert Bacharat) to study songwriting. Somehow I never came across this Nyla chick. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/171 "2010-10-01T05:51:30Z")
And your point is? > [@multimediac17](#): > > I thought this thread was about The 2011 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees, but I seemed to have received an unwanted ticket to The Dio Show: Neverending Edition. Perhaps we could ask the mods to make his last Pitting a sticky, and add to it as needed? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/172 "2010-10-01T05:52:27Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I didn’t start it. All I did was ask who somebody was. I can’t say a fucking thing without getting piled on anymore. > > that is not what you did, and you know it. That’s exactly what I did. Read the posts. ---
**Author:** ![multimediac17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@multimediac17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/multimediac17)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/173 "2010-10-01T05:54:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I didn’t start it. All I did was ask who somebody was. I can’t say a fucking thing without getting piled on anymore. Boo hoo. Stop being ridiculous and you won’t get piled on. But the people who continue it on and on should really just drop it - so Dio has a narrow tastes, big deal. He doesn’t think anything with a keyboard on it is good. Whoopee. Is it that important? It’s not like he’s actually making the nominations. He should be able to have his say and it shouldn’t cause a massive thread derailment about “Dio’s definition of rock”, a subject I could not possibly care less about. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/174 "2010-10-01T05:56:07Z")
I don’t care if I get piled on. Pile away. Just don’t say I’m the one that started it. I didn’t start shit. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/175 "2010-10-01T06:01:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Who decides on these nominees? I can’t take this HOF seriously when bands like Rush and Kiss can’t even get nominated while non-rock acts like LL Cool J and Tom Waits get in there. Who the hell is Laura Nyro? never heard of her. Never heard of Joe Tex either? How do they rate getting consideration before Kiss and Rush? Real rock seems to get short shrift in this Hall. Chic gets in before Rush? What the fuck? Does anyone involved in the nominations even _like_ rock and roll? > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Stoid](#): > > > > that is not what you did, and you know it. > > That’s exactly what I did. Read the posts. That is exactly what you did, after **Twixter** , **RealityChuck** and **WordMan** said that she was very deserving, you came in and questioned Laura Nyro getting in. Other people, notably Equipoise, tried to fight your ignorance and then you dug in defending it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/176 "2010-10-01T06:06:17Z")
There is nothing in what I said that was remotely disruptive or hijacking. I exressed opinions about who should go in _just like everybody else did_. I said Kiss should get in. Other people are saying “Kiss sucks.” How is that any less objectionable than me saying that I think Rush should get in before somebody I never heard of? Give me a break. I never even said she shouldn’t go in at all (I don’t know), just that she shouldn’t go in before Rush. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/177 "2010-10-01T06:09:08Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I didn’t start shit. > [@](#): > > All I did was ask who somebody was That would be untrue. > [@](#): > > Who decides on these nominees? _ **I can’t take this HOF seriously** _ when bands like Rush and Kiss can’t even get nominated while _ **non-rock acts like LL Cool J and Tom Waits** _ get in there. \*\*\*Who the hell _ **is Laura Nyro? never heard of her. Never heard of Joe Tex either?** _ How do they rate \*\*\*getting consideration before Kiss and Rush? \*\*\*Real \*\*\*rock seems to get short shrift in this Hall. Chic gets in before Rush? \*What the fuck? \*_ **Does anyone involved in the nominations even like rock and roll?** _ Asking who someone is looks like this: “I’ve never heard of Laura Nyro or Joe Tex. Can someone enlighten me?” See the difference? I’m sure you do. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/178 "2010-10-01T06:11:52Z")
I’m not going to persist in this except to say that anyone who dismisses Tom Waits while raving about Rush and Kiss…well, it kinda speaks for itself. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/179 "2010-10-01T06:12:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There is nothing in what I said that was remotely disruptive or hijacking. I exressed opinions about who should go in _just like everybody else did_. I said Kiss should get in. Other people are saying “Kiss sucks.” How is that any less objectionable than me saying that I think Rush should get in before somebody I never heard of? Give me a break. I never even said she shouldn’t go in at all (I don’t know), just that she shouldn’t go in before Rush. Because, and this I think is an important point, the people who say Kiss sucks say that _because they have heard Kiss_ and decided they did not like Kiss. They have an _informed_ opinion about Kiss. You have an _uninformed_ opinion about Laura Nyro because you have not heard her. See the difference? You’re ranking things you have never heard. That is pretty definitively ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486/180 "2010-10-01T06:17:08Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I’m not going to persist in this except to say that anyone who dismisses Tom Waits while raving about Rush and Kiss…well, it kinda speaks for itself. > > Carry on. I don’t dismiss Tom Waits, but he isn’t rock. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2011-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/555486.md?page=10)