# 2012 NCAA March Madness (Men's) thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 12, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503 "2012-03-12T00:26:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/61 "2012-03-16T20:15:24Z")
0-4 for the day and on schedule for 0-6!! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/62 "2012-03-16T20:43:01Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Which one wasn’t an upset, VCU or Colorado? Whoops! You’re right, I forgot about the Buffs beating my Rebs. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/63 "2012-03-16T20:54:21Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > His point was that one-and-done shouldn’t be allowed. I tend to lean the other way: fuck it, let them go straight to the NBA if they want to. I don’t think the pretense at scholarship for a year is fooling anyone. I generally agree in terms that people should be able to do what you want with their lives and pursue their dreams and riches however they choose. BUT as more and more players skip college altogether or only go for one year, not only is the quality of college basketball being eroded/watered down but for fans, the continuity of the teams for the major schools in hoops is now broken. I can’t even keep up with the names of the kids on my squad (UK) anymore. I do realize that Calipari is an extreme example of this, but its happening at all the schools that attract NBA-quality talent. I’m a bit fuzzy on the details, but how does the NFL get around this? Wasn’t the NFL’s argument that men’s bodies at the freshman age aren’t developed enough to play in the NFL (which wouldn’t be true of basketball)? Didn’t Maurice Clarett famously challenge this “rule” and lose? In my gut I just feel like these star basketball players are already so damn spoiled and pampered from the high school level upward that they should consider a free ride into college as a privilege and be made to honor a commitment to it for more than one year. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/64 "2012-03-16T20:55:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > His point was that one-and-done shouldn’t be allowed. I tend to lean the other way: fuck it, let them go straight to the NBA if they want to. I don’t think the pretense at scholarship for a year is fooling anyone. Agreed. Forcing college on anyone doesn’t seem right to me. I think the Brandon Jennings experiment turned out to be such a success that forcing 2 college years will just send many 18-year old kids overseas for their first paycheck. Then they’ll all come back after 2 years with that annoying Tony Parker accent. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/65 "2012-03-16T21:07:43Z")
Well, my 'Noles didn’t cover the spread, but I’m glad we managed to get the win. Mad props to the Bonnies for playing a terrific game. ETA: Not really looking forward to having to play Cincy. They’re a big, strong team and they’re at least as motivated to win as FSU is. Should be a hell of a game Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/66 "2012-03-16T21:08:57Z")
What the hell was that Bonny thinking trying to shoot a 2? They were down 3!!! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/67 "2012-03-16T21:14:35Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I generally agree in terms that people should be able to do what you want with their lives and pursue their dreams and riches however they choose. BUT as more and more players skip college altogether or only go for one year, not only is the quality of college basketball being eroded/watered down but for fans, the continuity of the teams for the major schools in hoops is now broken. I can’t even keep up with the names of the kids on my squad (UK) anymore. It’s a nice thing to have continuity and recognizable players on the big name teams, but I don’t think this is a compelling reason to keep guys from going to the NBA after one year in college. I’m also not sure how the current rates of departure compare to the rates of underclassmen going pro before the rules were changed a decade ago or even before that. I think the dam broke a long time ago. > [@](#): > > I’m a bit fuzzy on the details, but how does the NFL get around this? Wasn’t the NFL’s argument that men’s bodies at the freshman age aren’t developed enough to play in the NFL (which wouldn’t be true of basketball)? I think that’s the gist of it, yes. > [@](#): > > In my gut I just feel like these star basketball players are already so damn spoiled and pampered from the high school level upward that they should consider a free ride into college as a privilege and be made to honor a commitment to it for more than one year. This has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. The scholarships are a two-way street: the school gets something, the player gets something. You can make a pretty good argument that the school gets more and risks less. If you are that concerned about the players being spoiled (that word again), then make the schools give them guaranteed four-year scholarships and make the coaches committ to the schools long term. Then at least everybody is making the same commitment. > [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Agreed. Forcing college on anyone doesn’t seem right to me. I think the Brandon Jennings experiment turned out to be such a success that forcing 2 college years will just send many 18-year old kids overseas for their first paycheck. Then they’ll all come back after 2 years with that annoying Tony Parker accent. 😃 It’s happening a little more often, but I’m not sure it will ever be very common. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/68 "2012-03-16T21:56:26Z")
Come on, Spartans! You can do it! ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/69 "2012-03-16T22:11:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Come on, Spartans! You can do it! Yeah, Missouri’s really got their hands full, don’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/70 "2012-03-16T22:20:44Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Yeah, Missouri’s really got their hands full, don’t they? Aye, they do. I’m really impressed with Mizzou’s Pressey, but DDAMN! the Spartans just will not lie down. They actually look relaxed, and every time Missouri gets that “buckled down” look, Norfolk St. just comes back downcourt and bangs in a shot to re-take the lead. ETA: The line on this game, btw, was Missouri by 21½! ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/71 "2012-03-16T22:27:05Z")
It will destroy my bracket but I am rooting for Norfolk St. right now. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/72 "2012-03-16T22:34:02Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > It will destroy my bracket but I am rooting for Norfolk St. right now. How can anyone not be rooting for them right now, unless they’re a Mizzou fan? Norfolk State is playing at am astounding level right now. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/73 "2012-03-16T22:40:32Z")
I’m a Jayhawk fan, so you _know_ who I’m rooting for! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/74 "2012-03-16T22:54:49Z")
NORFOLK STATE WINS! NORFOLK STATE WINS! OMFG what a game! O’Quinn was a monster for the Spartans! I like Coach Evans, too; he’s fun to watch because he doesn’t live behind his eyes. So far, the best game of the tournament IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/75 "2012-03-16T23:01:25Z")
Wow, very cool. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/76 "2012-03-16T23:30:11Z")
Holy shit, now Duke is finding themselves challenged by Lehigh. Go Mountain Hawks! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/77 "2012-03-17T01:26:30Z")
Ladies & Gentlemen, with both the Duke-Lehigh game and the Ohio-Michigan games winding down, I hereby declare Freaky Friday to be in effect! ETA: Good job, Bobcats! ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/78 "2012-03-17T01:33:16Z")
Not looking good for the #2 seeds today… and my Jayhawks will be starting shortly. Making me a little nervous here! ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/79 "2012-03-17T01:35:05Z")
As long as Lehigh can hit their foul shots, they’ve got it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-ncaa-march-madness-mens-thread/615503/80 "2012-03-17T01:39:40Z")
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