# 2012 NFL Pre-Draft Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 8, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215 "2012-02-08T18:05:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/281 "2012-03-08T22:59:23Z")
I’ve always taken it as a given that Manning would never move into his little brother’s division. Two matchups in eight years is a far cry from twice a year. ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/282 "2012-03-09T00:23:22Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > I do wonder how many pro athletes (and their agents) are savvy enough to see the savings of playing for a Florida or Texas team versus a slightly bigger pre-tax package from another team in a state with income tax. It’s not as simple as it seems, since the players pay taxes for the places they play the games, and not 100 percent based on where they reside (depending on the taxing state). Having half of your games would provide a tax advantage, of course, but the difference is not as great as could be assumed. This is written from a baseball perspective, but it gives you a quick idea of what I am talking about: > **[The Jock Tax](https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-jock-tax/)** > > Last season, Cliff Lee had seemingly narrowed his suitors down to the Rangers, Yankees and an unidentified team. About that time, some analysts began to approach his free agency differently. On another note. Was I whooosed. Or. Omni, did you really get a Packers share? How did that happen? Why did it happen? Crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/283 "2012-03-09T00:57:30Z")
> [@pricciar](#): > > It’s not as simple as it seems, since the players pay taxes for the places they play the games, and not 100 percent based on where they reside (depending on the taxing state). Having half of your games would provide a tax advantage, of course, but the difference is not as great as could be assumed. > This is written from a baseball perspective, but it gives you a quick idea of what I am talking about: > [The Jock Tax | FanGraphs Baseball](http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-jock-tax/) Wow, that is bizarre and downright silly. I wonder what would happen if an NFL team in say Texas were to write it’s contracts so that the players only got paid for practicing. They played for free. In that scenario they’d owe no tax to the road states and so long as the always practiced in Texas they’d have a competitive advantage. I imagine there’d be some NFL or tax laws that would need to be fought, but it’s worth a shot! > [@](#): > > On another note. > Was I whooosed. Or. Omni, did you really get a Packers share? How did that happen? Why did it happen? Crazy. It happened because I’m a sucker and I simply had to be able to say I was a NFL owner. It’s simply a horrible twist of fate that the Packers are the only team to allow this insanely overpriced souvenir. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/284 "2012-03-10T05:52:46Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > They probably don’t have to. The precise of the 2nd pick is overhyped and no one is going to pay what the rumors indicate. And the price is as high as it’s likely to be now, before free agency. There’s certainly no reason that they should publically indicate that they’re willing to trade the pick now, even if they do eventually do it. > [@Omniscient](#): > > You say that it’s overvalued, it’s really, really not. There’s plenty of history to guide us here and if the Browns organization thinks like you do you’d better be prepared for a colossal disappointment. I can’t believe that no one has posted about this yet, but it looks like the numbers are in. [Glazer: Rams, Redskins strike deal for No. 2 pick](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/glazer-rams-redskins-strike-deal-for-no-2-pick/) > [@](#): > > Glazer says that the teams will swap first-round picks in 2012, with St. Louis taking the No. 6 pick. The Rams also get two future first-round picks and additional selections, one of which is believed to be a second-rounder. \*\*Three \*\*1st rounders and a 2nd rounder plus change. Time to call Flynn’s agent and start scouting Tannehill. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/285 "2012-03-10T14:15:23Z")
Ouch. That’s a pretty stiff price. If he turns out to be a great player, then I suppose no price is too high. If he turns out to be Jamarcus Russell… Sorry **SenorBeef**. I know how much you wanted this guy. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/286 "2012-03-10T15:21:05Z")
Wow, that’s a lot to give up. Unreal. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/287 "2012-03-10T15:35:43Z")
If only the Vikes hadn’t beaten Washington in week 16. {sigh} > **[Vikings get final price tag on Week 16 win](https://www.espn.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/39246/vikings-get-final-price-tag-on-week-16-win)** > > It's been clear for some time that the Minnesota Vikings wouldn't be in position to trade their No. 3 overall pick to a team that wanted to draft Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/288 "2012-03-10T16:00:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Glazer says that the teams will swap first-round picks in 2012, with St. Louis taking the No. 6 pick. The Rams also get two future first-round picks and additional selections, one of which is believed to be a second-rounder. I really wanted RG3 but I’m glad the Browns didn’t out bid that. I think there’s an excellent chance that RG3 will be a difference making QB but with as many holes as this team has that number of picks could be crippling. Sorry Senor. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/289 "2012-03-10T16:50:47Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > If he turns out to be Jamarcus Russell… I doubt that he will be that bad…but man, if RGIII turns out to be only a mediocre QB or worse, injury prone, the Foreskins are _fucked_ for a long time. Think about how loaded the Rams roster is going to be going forward too. Damn. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/290 "2012-03-10T17:26:43Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I doubt that he will be that bad…but man, if RGIII turns out to be only a mediocre QB or worse, injury prone, the Foreskins are _fucked_ for a long time. Think about how loaded the Rams roster is going to be going forward too. Damn. Well, when you’re as bad as the Skins have been for as long as they’ve been, worst case scenario you’re in the same place you were before you made the trade, so I’m really not seeing all that much downside. Plus, when the Skins were on the other side of this trade when the Saints gave them all of their picks for Ricky Williams, they pretty much blew all of those picks on mediocre-to-worthless players, so again, only time will tell. They got Jan Jansen who was a good tackle but he retired early due to injury. They drafted Champ Bailey but traded him to Denver after only 4 seasons. Everyone else either only lasted a few years as backups or never even made the team. Sure, they’re out 2 1st rounders (not including this year’s 6th pick) and a 2nd, but they spent the last decade trading away high picks for basically nothing, so again, they’re in the same place they were before the trade, and this time they’re spending it on a worthwhile player, not someone else’s faded star. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/291 "2012-03-10T18:22:39Z")
I hope they get stuck with Luck. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/292 "2012-03-10T19:23:43Z")
> [@Ennui](#): > > I really wanted RG3 but I’m glad the Browns didn’t out bid that. I think there’s an excellent chance that RG3 will be a difference making QB but with as many holes as this team has that number of picks could be crippling. Absolutely right. If they’re really down on McCoy, they can take Tannehill or someone else later on. I feel bad for Griffin. He’s going to a bad team that’s just mortgaged their future, and will likely be changing coaches soon. Terrible situation. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/293 "2012-03-10T19:33:50Z")
> [@furt](#): > > I feel bad for Griffin. He’s going to a bad team that’s just mortgaged their future, and will likely be changing coaches soon. Terrible situation. Top players get drafted by bad teams. It’s just how it works. He’d be in the same situation in Cleveland. What’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/294 "2012-03-10T19:36:58Z")
There are bad teams and there are bad franchises. Cleveland is somewhere on the margin between the two, but the Redskins are really a special kind of dysfunctional. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/295 "2012-03-10T20:59:20Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > There are bad teams and there are bad franchises. Cleveland is somewhere on the margin between the two, but the Redskins are really a special kind of dysfunctional. And they used to be run so well under the Cooke family. Dan Snyder is the worst owner in the NFL. And yes, that even includes my team’s owner Mike Brown. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/296 "2012-03-10T21:02:53Z")
Say what you want, but it’s already been one hell of an offseason and free agency hasn’t even opened yet. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/297 "2012-03-10T21:09:46Z")
In the flurry of Manning and RG3 news this little story seems to have been mostly overlooked. [Colts moves result in $38 million of dead money](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/colts-moves-result-in-38-million-of-dead-money/). Wow, everyone is saying that RG3 is going to walk into a horrible situation due to the loss of those picks but Luck’s situation isn’t going to be much better with a team only able to spend about 67% of what the rest of the league can pony up, and a team that’s almost certainly going to be without 5 of their 6 best players from last year. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/298 "2012-03-10T21:15:28Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > And they used to be run so well under the Cooke family. Dan Snyder is the worst owner in the NFL. And yes, that even includes my team’s owner Mike Brown. Maybe. But he certainly is fearless with the checkbook, which no one would ever accuse Mike Brown of. I’m not a Snyder fan at all, but to his credit, the Danny has let Shanahan and Bruce Allen (GM) run the show their way; Vinny Cerrato was just a yes man with a blank checkbook, and clearly Snyder did not know what he was doing. It’s only been a couple of seasons so we’ll see if he’ll continue to keep his hands off, but for now he seems to be content to let his football guys run the football stuff and just sign the checks. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/299 "2012-03-10T21:27:06Z")
In other under-reported news from the last couple days, Mark Sanchez signed what looked like a somewhat baffling 5-year $58M contract from the Jets. On it’s face this seemed borderline insane when you consider the fact that Sanchez seemed more likely on his way out in NYC but this PFT article [breaks down](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/breaking-down-sanchezs-lipstick-and-powder-contract/) the details in a what that makes a lot more sense. > [@](#): > > Yes, Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez will earn $20.5 million in guaranteed money in 2012 and 2013 as part of his new contract. The fact, however, that Sanchez already was due to earn $17.75 million over the next two seasons has prompted one league source to characterize the move as a “lipstick and powder” deal. > > For an extra $2.75 million, Sanchez gave the Jets three straight option years, allowing the team to keep him if he finally realizes his full potential — and to cut him without further investment after the 2013 season, the 2014 season, or the 2015 season. > > The contract also could be called a glorified restructuring. Per a source with knowledge of the details, Sanchez’s $11.75 million base salary for 2012 has been converted to an $8 million signing bonus, a fully-guaranteed base salary of $3.25 million, and a $500,000 workout bonus. > > The move creates $6.4 million in 2012 cap space. Still, if I were a Jets fan I’d probably have preferred that they not guarantee his 2013 contract but the immediate cap reduction probably balances out that investment. Makes me wonder if the Jets intend to draft Tannehill or one of the other 2nd tier QB prospects and groom him for 2 years under Sanchez. I suspect that answer is a resounding yes. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/300 "2012-03-10T21:38:25Z")
Continuing my Saturday afternoon PFT dump, this little conspiracy nugget is somewhat brilliant. [Chiefs go out of character in pursuit of Peyton Manning.](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/chiefs-go-out-of-character-in-pursuit-of-peyton-manning/) Here’s the juiciest nuggets. > [@](#): > > Under G.M. Scott Pioli, the Chiefs have adopted a Belichickian brand of secrecy. And for good reason; Pioli also is the son-in-law of the NFL’s master of ceremonial silence, Bill Parcells. > > So why are the Chiefs so openly chasing quarterback Peyton Manning? > [@](#): > > Here’s a theory. The Chiefs know that the Broncos are desperate to solve the Tebow problem, and that Peyton Manning gives V.P. of football operations John Elway his only way out. Having the Chiefs at the table could prompt the Broncos to give up too much to get Manning, especially since the Broncos reportedly are willing to do “whatever it takes” to make it happen. I’d say that makes so much sense it almost has to be true, both from the Chiefs perspective and the Broncos. Manning to the Broncos would cure so many problems, but the Chiefs damn well want them to pay dearly for it. Granted I suspect the Dolphins will take care of that issue without the Chiefs help. I suspect that Tebow [sees this connection](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/tim-tebow-described-as-rattled-about-peyton-mannings-denver-visit/) as well. I’m guessing there’s more here than pure specuation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215.md?page=16)