# 2012 NFL Pre-Draft Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 8, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215 "2012-02-08T18:05:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/481 "2012-03-16T17:04:15Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > The Browns signed another Eagles’ castoff, this time DE Juqua Parker. He’s a little older, but he’s been surprisingly productive for the Eagles over the last few years. He’s had some injury concerns lately, but if he stays healthy he’ll probably produce above average numbers. > > He just had no place in Philly with their All-World D-Line. :rolleyes: You really didn’t learn anything at all from last year, did you? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/482 "2012-03-16T17:13:51Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Plus, you have that Clay Matthews guy. You don’t need to put anyone else out on the field on defense but him and his hair. Well it certainly seemed like that was all that was on the field at times. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/483 "2012-03-16T17:40:13Z")
> [@furt](#): > > :rolleyes: > > You really didn’t learn anything at all from last year, did you? Well, they _did_ tie for the league lead in sacks. Never mind that they were 19th in yards allowed per rush. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/484 "2012-03-16T18:08:06Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Looks like the Bengals have a decent shot at landing Michael Bush, Tracy Porter and Kendall Langford. They’ve got Bush and the lawfirm (Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis) visiting and I’d bet good money that one of them \*\*\*will \*\*\*get signed. If I were a Bengals fan I’d prefer Bush, but we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/485 "2012-03-16T18:13:52Z")
Holy crap, Chris Mortensen reported that Peyton Manning worked out for and had a physical for the 49ers. (Via Twitter, which I refuse to link to.) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/486 "2012-03-16T18:17:14Z")
Apparently the Kellen Davis Deal is 2-years at $6M, which is a pretty fair price for both sides. $3M per year is nothing to sneeze at for a guy that hasn’t put much on tape yet, and it’s short enough that if he realizes his huge on-paper potential he’ll be able to cash in down the road. On the flipside the Bears aren’t tying up a bunch of money on the position and they can dump him if he flames out now that the Martz excuse isn’t there any more. We’ll see what happens with Spaeth, who comparatively is overpaid, and if they address the position in the draft or not. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/487 "2012-03-16T18:25:23Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Holy crap, Chris Mortensen reported that Peyton Manning worked out for and had a physical for the 49ers. (Via Twitter, which I refuse to link to.) Why do you refuse to link to it? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/488 "2012-03-16T18:28:28Z")
[It’s on ESPN.com, so dismissing it because Mortensen also mentioned it on Twitter is pointless.](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7696945/san-francisco-49ers-worked-peyton-manning-week-sources-say) He’s going to work out for Denver today. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/489 "2012-03-16T18:32:08Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Apparently the Kellen Davis Deal is 2-years at $6M, which is a pretty fair price for both sides. $3M per year is nothing to sneeze at for a guy that hasn’t put much on tape yet, and it’s short enough that if he realizes his huge on-paper potential he’ll be able to cash in down the road. On the flipside the Bears aren’t tying up a bunch of money on the position and they can dump him if he flames out now that the Martz excuse isn’t there any more. We’ll see what happens with Spaeth, who comparatively is overpaid, and if they address the position in the draft or not. This [Blog post](http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2012/3/15/2875883/why-i-love-the-kellen-davis-signing#storyjump) almost perfectly captures my feelings on the Davis signing and generally how Emery has handled business thus far. I’m very happy with the outcome. We haven’t won every deal or gotten every player we’ve gone after or wanted, but we’re focusing on the right spots and doing so in a way that will help use use the draft to it’s optimum. Still some more work to be done, but the strategy looks almost precisely like one I’ve argued for this off-season. > [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Why do you refuse to link to it? I’m guessing it’s a fundamental issue with Twitter being lame and not “real”. Often this is a valid point of view. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/490 "2012-03-16T18:33:31Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Why do you refuse to link to it? I hate linking to Twitter because of the multiple link jumping/forwarding they do, and I couldn’t find a different report to link to faster than I wanted to post here. Sue me. 😛 😃 [Here’s my favorite beat reporter reporting the report](http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/03/report-harbaugh-had-secret-meeting-with-manning-this-week.html). ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/491 "2012-03-16T18:59:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [It’s on ESPN.com, so dismissing it because Mortensen also mentioned it on Twitter is pointless.](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7696945/san-francisco-49ers-worked-peyton-manning-week-sources-say) He’s going to work out for Denver today. I wonder how many of these Manning is serious about and how many he is using to leverage a high price from the ones who \*really \*want him. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/492 "2012-03-16T20:40:27Z")
Looks like Kolb is staying in Arizona. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/493 "2012-03-16T20:47:58Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I wonder how many of these Manning is serious about and how many he is using to leverage a high price from the ones who \*really \*want him. It seems like it’s down to three teams at this point, and I suppose there’s reason to think he could be serious about all of them. Sounds like we’re getting close to a decision at this point. I’m really surprised Denver is offering five years, but I guess they want to blow everyone else out of the water. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/494 "2012-03-16T20:55:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m really surprised Denver is offering five years, but I guess they want to blow everyone else out of the water. But the Titans were offering a lifetime! ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/495 "2012-03-16T21:00:03Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > They’ve got Bush and the lawfirm (Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis) visiting and I’d bet good money that one of them \*\*\*will \*\*\*get signed. If I were a Bengals fan I’d prefer Bush, but we’ll see. Oh yeah, I’d MUCH prefer Bush over Lawfirm. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/496 "2012-03-16T21:09:28Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It seems like it’s down to three teams at this point, and I suppose there’s reason to think he could be serious about all of them. Sounds like we’re getting close to a decision at this point. I’m really surprised Denver is offering five years, but I guess they want to blow everyone else out of the water. I don’t think they necessarily expect him to pay five years, though - a five year offer is just a way to a) prorate the signing bonus, and b) backload the salary to make it seem like a bigger offer (_i.e._ 5 years, $60 million could be a $25M signing bonus with annual salaries of $1M, $3M, $5M, $10M, and $16M - if he retires after three years they’re off the hook for $26M of that total). Manning’s concern is going to be the signing bonus, and the team’s concern is going to be the escalating cap number. Comparing “x years, $y million” isn’t going to tell us anything about the real value of the contract. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/497 "2012-03-16T21:11:37Z")
The 49ers can’t be trying to lure Peyton with money. They have to be strongly offering a team that was one brainfart away from the Super Bowl last year, and is bringing back nearly everybody (all 12 on defense, on offense only one mediocre lineman FA left). If he’s looking to win a championship, the 49ers have to be the best option. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/498 "2012-03-16T21:14:34Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > all 12 on defense, Aha! I knew the 9ers were cheating. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/499 "2012-03-16T21:19:25Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Aha! I knew the 9ers were cheating. > > 😉 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215/500 "2012-03-16T22:03:04Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > **SenorBeef** , considering Cleveland is not getting Flynn, are you on board with going after whichever QB gets spurned in the Peyton Manning drama? i.e. Tebow or Locker? I’m no fan of either of them, but I like them better than McCoy or Tannehill. Forgot to answer this. I love to watch some Tebow, but I don’t think I’d love to watch some Tebow on my own team. It’s only awesome in the abstract. Locker I don’t know much about, but I’d be a lot more receptive to that idea. Also, what makes you so sure Cleveland won’t end up with Flynn? Apparently Miami lowballed him today. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-nfl-pre-draft-discussion/612215.md?page=26)