# 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 27, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787 "2011-09-27T18:56:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/21 "2011-09-28T06:42:35Z")
> [@HoboStew](#): > > Can you expand on this? I will admit my bias - I hate this band, but I also hate The Cure but I can at least see their influence/innovation/etc. The only thing I see from RHCP is commercial appeal and endurance. Flea was a great bassist, but what else did they bring to the table? What do you mean “WAS a great bassist”? They’re still playing. And I totally endorse the RHCP, but I’m biased, since they’re one of my favorite bands. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/22 "2011-09-28T07:19:14Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Joan Jett and the Blackhearts have what…two songs? _I Love Rock and Roll_ and a cover of _Crimson and Clover_? I Love Rock ‘n’ Roll [is also a cover](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AT_Pbtyid0). So, no, Joan gets no prizes for songwriting, but I’d say she deserves it as much as anyone. I’d also say the whole Hall-of-Fame thing is stupid and that who’s in and who isn’t makes no difference to anything important. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/23 "2011-09-28T10:09:00Z")
Odd they didn’t take the Runaways. (Also, Joan has Everyday People as well.) And still no Link Wray. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/24 "2011-09-28T11:05:14Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > Just read an article on the nominees, and it said that the following acts haven’t ever been nominated: > T. Rex, the Smiths, Yes, Jethro Tull, Devo, Todd Rundgren, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Roxy Music, Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, the Replacements, ELO, Chubby Checker, Hall and Oates, Los Lobos, Black Flag, X, the B-52s, Dick Dale, the Flying Burrito Brothers, Nick Drake, Captain Beefheart, Sonic Youth, and the Go-Go’s. > Screw Jann Wenner. Have the Moody Blues or King Crimson been nominated? IF any “art rock” or “prog rock” bands deserve consideration, you’d have to start with those two groups who ALMOST invented the genre.\* \*( I say “almost” because the Beatles really invented it- “Nights in White Satin” and “In the Court of the Crimson King” are almost unimaginable without _ **Sgt. Pepper.** _) ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/25 "2011-09-28T13:10:03Z")
> [@President\_Johnny\_Gentle](#): > > It looks like there are too many stars in the OP. As far as I can tell, only GNR and Eric B. and Rakim are in their first year of eligibility. I got the info from Entertainment Weekly; I apologize if it’s wrong. I, too, am disgusted that Link Wray, Brenda Lee, Warren Zevon, Dick Dale, and some of the others aren’t in there. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/26 "2011-09-28T13:24:38Z")
WHY do I open these threads knowing that it will only cause me heartache? Still no Rush. And I suppose I know why. But if they’re not one of the best, longstanding, influential bands of all time I don’t know who is. Simply put if you were a young male musician in the 80s and listened to hard rock you wanted to be them. I once saw Billy Corgan do an impromptu cover of ‘Limelight’ in the late 90s and there’s a lot of others out there like that. Plus the music awards for their playing and the 24 gold and 14 platinum records and no one can say they haven’t achieved a certain level of fame. I actually suspect that the inductees know that Rush likely couldn’t give a damn. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/27 "2011-09-28T15:34:20Z")
Could even Chaka Khan name two songs by Rufus? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/28 "2011-09-28T15:59:27Z")
Maybe I’ll get pilloried for this, but I think the continual snubbing of KISS is as big a travesty as any of the others. A hall of fame is sort of antithetical, though. “Rock n’ roll” is the music of destruction, revolution, and a rejection of the establishment. The Hall of Fame and Rolling Stone are establishment, they are the Man. It’s time for the kids making music today to say, “Fuck _Rolling Stone_, they’re old and stupid, and fuck the Hall of Fame.” ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/29 "2011-09-28T16:30:21Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Maybe I’ll get pilloried for this, but I think the continual snubbing of KISS is as big a travesty as any of the others. > > A hall of fame is sort of antithetical, though. “Rock n’ roll” is the music of destruction, revolution, and a rejection of the establishment. The Hall of Fame and Rolling Stone are establishment, they are the Man. > > It’s time for the kids making music today to say, “Fuck _Rolling Stone_, they’re old and stupid, and fuck the Hall of Fame.” I thought it would be Kiss’ turn once ALice Cooper was in- after all, Alice Cooper INVENTED the kind of show Kiss took to the next extreme! Kiss also gave Rush one of their first big breaks- Rush was one of Kiss’ opening acts in the mid-Seventies, and Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson still give Kiss a lot of credit for their success to this day. Kiss and Rush may not SEEM to have much in common, but Geddy will still tell you, “They were absolutely great to us. And say what you want about Kiss, nobody works harder to put on a spectacular show and give the audience their money’s worth.” ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/30 "2011-09-28T21:27:51Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > Just read an article on the nominees, and it said that the following acts haven’t ever been nominated: Do you have a link? > [@](#): > > T. Rex, the Smiths, Yes, Jethro Tull, Devo, Todd Rundgren, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Roxy Music, Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, the Replacements, ELO, Chubby Checker, Hall and Oates, Los Lobos, Black Flag, X, the B-52s, Dick Dale, the Flying Burrito Brothers, Nick Drake, Captain Beefheart, Sonic Youth, and the Go-Go’s. That list is a lot more impressive than a random equal number of acts that are already in. I can deal with Todd Rundgren not being in yet as a musician. But as a producer? Come on! A production career stretching from _The Band_ to _Bad Religion_. He produced the _New York Dolls_, created the _The Psychedelic Furs’_ signature sound, made _Grand Funk_’s “We’re An American Band” a huge hit, made _XTC_ “Skylarking” possibly their best album… If nothing else, [he produced the fifth best selling record of all time](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_out_of_Hell), “Bat Out of Hell”. Not just produced, but funded it on spec after it had been turned down by a huge number of record companies (he took a percentage, which paid for his lifestyle for decades). > [@](#): > > Screw Jann Wenner. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/31 "2011-09-28T21:55:38Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > If G n’ R are first ballot inductees, then something’s wrong… > [@bup](#): > > Maybe I’ll get pilloried for this, but I think the continual snubbing of KISS is as big a travesty as any of the others. > [@gaffa](#): > > I can deal with Todd Rundgren not being in yet as a musician. But as a producer? Come on! A production career stretching from _The Band_ to _Bad Religion_. He produced the _New York Dolls_, created the _The Psychedelic Furs’_ signature sound, made _Grand Funk_’s “We’re An American Band” a huge hit, made _XTC_ “Skylarking” possibly their best album… > > If nothing else, [he produced the fifth best selling record of all time](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_out_of_Hell), “Bat Out of Hell”. Not just produced, but funded it on spec after it had been turned down by a huge number of record companies (he took a percentage, which paid for his lifestyle for decades). I second all of these sentiments. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/32 "2011-12-07T15:15:27Z")
HuffPo link [here](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/07/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees_n_1133250.html). > [@](#): > > NEW YORK — Welcome to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, **Guns N’ Roses**. > > The seminal rock band of the late 1980s and early `90s, best known for hits like “Welcome to the Jungle,” “Sweet Child O’ Mine” and “November Rain,” leads the 2012 class of inductees announced on Wednesday. Also making the cut is the hip-hop trio **Beastie Boys** ; rockers the **Red Hot Chili Peppers** ; the late singer/songwriter **Laura Nyro** ; **Donovan** ; and influential British rock group **The Small Faces/The Faces** , which included Rod Stewart and Rolling Stones guitarist Ronnie Wood. FYI… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/33 "2011-12-07T15:56:24Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > From that list, I’d vote for Guns N’ Roses and Heart. > > Rush not being on the list is puzzling. They were more…everything…than The Beastie Boys ever thought about being. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts have what…two songs? _I Love Rock and Roll_ and a cover of _Crimson and Clover_? Joan Jett had more hits than Guns n’ Roses (_Sweet Child of Mine_ and _Welcome To The Jungle_). _I Love Rock & Roll Crimson & Clover Bad Reputation Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah) I Hate Myself For Loving You_ So more than twice as many hit songs as GnR. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/34 "2011-12-07T15:56:48Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > So, no, Joan gets no prizes for songwriting, but I’d say she deserves it as much as anyone. [Dave Grohl says Joan Jett is the baddest MF’er he knows](http://youtu.be/qBB7jM-hFf4) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/35 "2011-12-07T18:52:02Z")
I’ve got no problems with the winners, even if they aren’t all my personal favorites. Just wanted to mention: [Doug Sahm has never been nominated](http://www.nodepression.com/profiles/blogs/why-why-why-hasnt-doug-sahm)… ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/36 "2011-12-07T19:03:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Joan Jett had more hits than Guns n’ Roses (_Sweet Child of Mine_ and _Welcome To The Jungle_). > > _I Love Rock & Roll > Crimson & Clover > Bad Reputation > Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah) > I Hate Myself For Loving You_ > > So more than twice as many hit songs as GnR. [Nope](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_N%27_Roses_discography#Singles). Six in the U.S. Top Ten. Also: hits don’t matter. Tom Waits is more talented than many other Hall of Famers, and he aptly stated in his speech, “They say I have no hits and that I’m difficult to work with… like it’s a bad thing.” ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/37 "2011-12-07T21:43:19Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I actually suspect that the inductees know that Rush likely couldn’t give a damn. Can I call it or what? [Rush on the Hall of Fame](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMSEW6UYF88) Favorite quote: “I’m comfortable with the status quo where they don’t really want us in and we don’t want to be in.” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/38 "2011-12-08T14:12:16Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > No one has ever said, “Oh, RHCP doesn’t sing that. I thought that was them.” [O, Rly?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FEDrU85FLE&ob=av2e):dubious: _yes, I know, it’s a RHCP sample…_ ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/39 "2011-12-08T15:36:49Z")
Guns N’ Roses\* \> Red Hot Chili Peppers \> Beastie Boys Joan Jett and the Blackhearts\* \> The Cure\* \> Heart\* Eric B. and Rakim\* The Small Faces/Faces\* Rufus with Chaka Khan\* War Laura Nyro Donovan Freddy King\* The Spinners\* I will nominate Guns n Roses. For making one of the strongest debut rock albums of all time, and being the biggest rock band in the world at that time. RHCP. For Californication and Blood Sugar Sex Magic, those are great, unique and near-filler free albums. Californication more mainstream, but still strong. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts. I don’t know so much of their music, but Bad Reputation, and especially I Love Rock n Roll are ultimate Rock anthems. The Cure. Made a lot of strong and distinct albums in the 80s, and hits that include Boys Don’t Cry, Lullaby, Friday I’m in Love, Lovecats, etc. The 5th one I’m not sure, there doesn’t seem to be an obvious choice among the nominated bands. Beastie Boys maybe, although I don’t personally care much for their music. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787/40 "2011-12-08T17:30:00Z")
I’d _greatly_ have preferred The Cure to get in over G’nR, but otherwise, I’m happy with the winners. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2012-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/597787.md?page=3)