# 2013 Chrysler Town & Country rough start/idle, codes thrown **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 5, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844 "2016-08-05T15:28:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mchomard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@mchomard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mchomard)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/1 "2016-08-05T15:28:51Z")
2013 Town and Country, 16k miles. Starting is difficult, needing many cranks, and has a rough idle, sometimes stalling at idle. It consistently throws P00345, P00390, P00340, P00300, P00365 codes, all of which are related to “Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit” A and B, banks 1 and 2. We have replaced both of these sensors, as well as the sparkplugs, but none of that has helped. Codes P0017, 0018, and 0019 also come and go. (These are “Crankshaft Position - Camshaft Position Correlation”.) What would you folks suggest looking into next? Also, could this type of issue be covered under warranty? ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/2 "2016-08-05T15:48:50Z")
> [@mchomard](#): > > 2013 Town and Country, 16k miles. Starting is difficult, needing many cranks, and has a rough idle, sometimes stalling at idle. It consistently throws P00345, P00390, P00340, P00300, P00365 codes, all of which are related to “Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit” A and B, banks 1 and 2. We have replaced both of these sensors, as well as the sparkplugs, but none of that has helped. > > Codes P0017, 0018, and 0019 also come and go. (These are “Crankshaft Position - Camshaft Position Correlation”.) > > What would you folks suggest looking into next? wiring and connectors. There’s a reason the text for the code says “Camshaft Position Sensor **Circuit** ”, the PCM doesn’t know if the fault is in the sensors, wiring, connections, or even itself. The fact that it’s complaining about both sensors in both cylinder banks is pretty clear that the sensors themselves probably aren’t the problem. The likelihood of all four sensors failing at the same time is incredibly low. > [@](#): > > Also, could this type of issue be covered under warranty? not to be too rude about it, but why didn’t you investigate this first before shot-gunning parts onto the car? It may be warrantable depending on whether it’s covered under the bumper-to-bumper 3/36 or if it’s considered an emissions-related part, the 5/80. ---
**Author:** ![mchomard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@mchomard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mchomard)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/3 "2016-08-05T16:01:54Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > wiring and connectors. There’s a reason the text for the code says “Camshaft Position Sensor **Circuit** ”, the PCM doesn’t know if the fault is in the sensors, wiring, connections, or even itself. The fact that it’s complaining about both sensors in both cylinder banks is pretty clear that the sensors themselves probably aren’t the problem. The likelihood of all four sensors failing at the same time is incredibly low. Yeah, this thought crossed my mind. So is there any component you think is likely that could be common to all these other guys that would cause these codes? As a matter of fact, the dash is also showing the traction control indicator light … could it be the PCM itself? > [@](#): > > not to be too rude about it, but why didn’t you investigate this first before shot-gunning parts onto the car? It may be warrantable depending on whether it’s covered under the bumper-to-bumper 3/36 or if it’s considered an emissions-related part, the 5/80. Honestly, the idea of warranty only occurred to me after the fact. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![RememberMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@RememberMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RememberMe)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/4 "2016-08-05T16:15:25Z")
I understand that people do what they are comfortable with, and you might be comfortable posting on this message board/forum, but don’t you think you might have better luck posting on a forum that specific to your vehicle? The chances of you being the first with your specific problem is low, so you may come across a solution that already exists. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/5 "2016-08-05T16:27:19Z")
> [@mchomard](#): > > Yeah, this thought crossed my mind. So is there any component you think is likely that could be common to all these other guys that would cause these codes? the only other thing is if the cam phasers were acting up, but like the sensors I can’t see all four failing at once. except maybe if they were starved of oil supply. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/6 "2016-08-05T16:44:27Z")
On some older Chrysler models it was common to get cam sensor codes from a faulty crank sensor and vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/7 "2016-08-05T16:51:20Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > The likelihood of all four sensors failing at the same time is incredibly low. > [@jz78817](#): > > the only other thing is if the cam phasers were acting up, but like the sensors I can’t see all four failing at once. There are two camshaft position sensors (not four), one on each bank. What is a cam phaser? ---
**Author:** ![mchomard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@mchomard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mchomard)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/8 "2016-08-05T17:34:32Z")
> [@RememberMe](#): > > I understand that people do what they are comfortable with, and you might be comfortable posting on this message board/forum, but don’t you think you might have better luck posting on a forum that specific to your vehicle? The chances of you being the first with your specific problem is low, so you may come across a solution that already exists. I tried that first, on a chrysler minivan board, and didn’t get much in the way of replies. I’ve already received more on this thread in two hours than I did there in two days. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2013-chrysler-town-country-rough-start-idle-codes-thrown/761844/9 "2016-08-05T19:51:20Z")
> [@Gary\_T](#): > > There are two camshaft position sensors (not four), one on each bank. yep, you’re right, I mistook the cam phaser connectors for position sensors. the old Neon 4-cylinder put the cam sensor in that area. > [@](#): > > What is a cam phaser? the device which controls the variable cam timing. [![](https://www.pentastars.com/photos/valvegear.jpg) ](https://www.pentastars.com/photos/valvegear.jpg) the Pentastar has dual VVT so each camshaft has its own phaser.