# 2014 College Football General Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 30, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937 "2014-08-30T03:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/902 "2014-12-08T20:28:59Z")
How many prior Meyer - Saban matchups have there been? What’s the record? (I’m surprised I haven’t heard this already.) ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/903 "2014-12-08T20:33:11Z")
> [@HubZilla](#): > > That 2001 season had a crazy ending, that helped Nebraska get in: > > Nebraska was #1 or #2. 2-loss Colorado slaughters us, one of those surreal “is someone punking my TV feed?” type of games. > > Nebraska, with 1 loss, falls behind Miami, and 3 other teams with 1 loss: Texas, Tennessee, Florida. In the next couple weeks, a totally unlikely sequence happens: > > Florida loses to Tennessee (a rescheduled game due to a hurricane, I think) > Texas loses to Colorado in the Big XII title game > Tennessee then loses to LSU in the SEC title game > > Had any ONE of those won, it would’ve been them vs Miami. All of the sudden, we’re pretty much the only 1-loss team. Well, other than the Pac-10 champion, Oregon, who were ranked #2 by both the AP and coaches poll, of course. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/904 "2014-12-08T21:10:36Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Well, other than the Pac-10 champion, Oregon, who were ranked #2 by both the AP and coaches poll, of course. :dubious: And handcuffed by that Rose Bowl “tradition”. 😃 As God intended. :D:D:dubious::D:D ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/905 "2014-12-08T21:31:02Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > And handcuffed by that Rose Bowl “tradition”. 😃 > > As God intended. :D:D:dubious::D:D I know you’re only poking good-natured fun so neither your remarks nor my reply should be taken seriously. HOWEVER, I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that the Rose Bowl always had a BCS exception – if the Pac or B1G conference champions were #1 or #2, they were released to go play in the NCG. (maybe 2001 was pre-exception, but I don’t think so). ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/906 "2014-12-08T21:58:22Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Well, other than the Pac-10 champion, Oregon, who were ranked #2 by both the AP and coaches poll, of course. :dubious: In retrospect, I wish Oregon would’ve had the pleasure of playing that Miami team, instead of us. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/907 "2014-12-08T22:11:37Z")
Why am I the only one who still has these events burned into my brain?:mad: Yes, jsc1953 is correct, the Rose Bowl tie-in during the BCS era always had an exception in the event that the B1G or Pac champion was invited to play for the national championship, so that had nothing to do with Oregon’s snub, it was just the f&#\*#d up BCS computers. After the season, the BCS formula was tweaked so that particular injustice couldn’t happen again. To add insult to injury, the Rose Bowl _was_ the national title game that year, so we didn’t even get to go to the Rose Bowl at all. Instead we throttled Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl 38-16 (OK, I’ll admit I looked the score up). And WRT Rose Bowl tradition, I will just say that I have on my wall the front page of the Eugene Register-Guard for January 2, 2012, the headline of which is ROSES AT LAST! Sure, we won the conference and a subsequent New Year’s Day bowl game in 2001, and we went to the National Championship Game in 2010, but nobody in Eugene thought that either of those made up for our 95 years without _winning the Rose Bowl_. And I am sure every other team in the B1G or Pac would feel the same way. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/908 "2014-12-08T22:42:23Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Yes, jsc1953 is correct, the Rose Bowl tie-in during the BCS era always had an exception in the event that the B1G or Pac champion was invited to play for the national championship. FWIW, I knew that. That is why I added the numerous emoticons. It was my way of dismissing “Because God intended the Rose Bowl should be a B1G vs PACxx Matchup”. Apparently it is OK to abandon tradition for specified reasons. That tradition is exclusionary, arrogant and sanctimonious. It is one of the reasons why I have as much disdain for the B1G as **BobLibDem** has for the SEC. I don’t care much for PACxx either, but they are no forced down my throat as much as the B1G, here in the Midwest. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/909 "2014-12-08T22:46:21Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > It was my way of dismissing “Because God intended the Rose Bowl should be a B1G vs PACxx Matchup”. Apparently it is OK to abandon tradition for specified reasons. Tradition (and apparently, God) died with the BCS. Since the BCS’s inception, the Rose Bowl has, as often as not, included some interloper like Texas (as in the Great Screw of '04). ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/910 "2014-12-08T23:14:49Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Tradition (and apparently, God) died with the BCS. Since the BCS’s inception, the Rose Bowl has, as often as not, included some interloper like Texas (as in the Great Screw of '04). Yet nearly 20 years later, I get some old fogies still pining for the days of B1G vs PACxx Rose Bowl Matchup. As God, Buddha and Allah intended ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/911 "2014-12-08T23:46:10Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > TCU was jumped by both OSU and Baylor. > > ETA: Actually, I have no quarrel with the final rankings of the top six. The “something wrong” was probably TCU being ranked #3 last week. But it still has to be heartbreaking to realize that there was absolutely nothing you could have done to stay in the top four. Frankly, I didn’t think Baylor should have been ranked #4 like they were prior to their loss to West Virginia back in October. As for the final rankings, my gripe earlier in the thread was that I didn’t believe TCU should have been in the top 4 since they lost to Baylor. In the end that didn’t happen so the point is moot. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/912 "2014-12-09T00:00:52Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Tradition (and apparently, God) died with the BCS. Since the BCS’s inception, the Rose Bowl has, as often as not, included some interloper like Texas (as in the Great Screw of '04). Actually, aliens have only played in five of the last twenty Rose Bowls, and the Miami-Nebraska debacle was the only one where neither traditional conference participated (although I guess that is retroactively untrue). Not sure why some folks find the idea of traditional bowl tie-ins so offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/913 "2014-12-09T01:00:20Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Actually, aliens have only played in five of the last twenty Rose Bowls, and the Miami-Nebraska debacle was the only one where neither traditional conference participated (although I guess that is retroactively untrue). Not sure why some folks find the idea of traditional bowl tie-ins so offensive. Speaking for this particular folk, it’s not the idea of traditional bowl tie-ins. It’s the arrogance of claiming _that_ particular bowl as sacrosanct and somehow “more important” than the other bowls. I realize it’s not a universal attitude, but enough BigXX and PACXX fans feel that way that it gets annoying. And the fucking parade\* is stupid. 😉 - Now that the Chiefs will be marching, it is, of course, must-see tv. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/914 "2014-12-09T01:08:24Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Speaking for this particular folk, it’s not the idea of traditional bowl tie-ins. It’s the arrogance of claiming _that_ particular bowl as sacrosanct and somehow “more important” than the other bowls. I realize it’s not a universal attitude, but enough BigXX and PACXX fans feel that way that it gets annoying. > > And the fucking parade\* is stupid. 😉 > > - Now that the Chiefs will be marching, it is, of course, must-see tv. I agree with your first and second paragraph. Parade will be just as ridiculous if the Chiefs play that Atlanta Braves War Chant tune.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/915 "2014-12-09T01:08:55Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > How many prior Meyer - Saban matchups have there been? What’s the record? (I’m surprised I haven’t heard this already.) Nick Saban is 2-1 vs. Urban Meyer. [http://www.nola.com/sugarbowl/index.ssf/2014/12/allstate\_sugar\_bowl\_brings\_bac.html](http://www.nola.com/sugarbowl/index.ssf/2014/12/allstate_sugar_bowl_brings_bac.html) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/916 "2014-12-09T01:48:48Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Nick Saban is 2-1 vs. Urban Meyer. > [http://www.nola.com/sugarbowl/index.ssf/2014/12/allstate\_sugar\_bowl\_brings\_bac.html](http://www.nola.com/sugarbowl/index.ssf/2014/12/allstate_sugar_bowl_brings_bac.html) Thanks. I believe Meyer was coaching Utah when they shocked an SEC team (I believe, Alabama) in a bowl game. Anybody remember who was the losing coach? ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/917 "2014-12-09T01:54:22Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Thanks. I believe Meyer was coaching Utah when they shocked an SEC team (I believe, Alabama) in a bowl game. Anybody remember who was the losing coach? Let me [google](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Utah_Utes_bowl_games) that for you. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/918 "2014-12-09T02:09:04Z")
Oh, what’s the fun in that? 😉 I was wrong – it was Kyle Whittingham who embarrassed Nick Saban and 'Bama. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/919 "2014-12-09T02:13:38Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Speaking for this particular folk, it’s not the idea of traditional bowl tie-ins. It’s the arrogance of claiming _that_ particular bowl as sacrosanct and somehow “more important” than the other bowls. I realize it’s not a universal attitude, but enough BigXX and PACXX fans feel that way that it gets annoying. > > And the fucking parade\* is stupid. 😉 > > - Now that the Chiefs will be marching, it is, of course, must-see tv. (shrug) Well, aside from the obvious fact that it is the _oldest_ bowl, I wouldn’t say that it is “more important” than any of the other major bowls (obviously, the most important bowl in any given season is the one my team is playing in!). But when you grow up rooting for a team in one of these conferences, it’s what you aim for. Saying “maybe this the year we will go to one of six different rotating bowls!” just doesn’t have the same ring. The Kansas City Chiefs will be marching in the parade? Given their success at football, I can’t blame them for switching to being a marching band, but it is a rather unusual move. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/920 "2014-12-09T05:20:22Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Speaking for this particular folk, it’s not the idea of traditional bowl tie-ins. It’s the arrogance of claiming _that_ particular bowl as sacrosanct and somehow “more important” than the other bowls. I realize it’s not a universal attitude, but enough BigXX and PACXX fans feel that way that it gets annoying. I can see why that would be annoying to a fan of one of the lesser bowls 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snupzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Snupzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snupzilla)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/921 "2014-12-09T06:07:35Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > So what would be the divisions? > > My guess: > > Baylor, K-State, Kansas, OU, Okie St, TTU (Mostly West) > > TCU, Tex, WVU, Cincy, UCF, ISU (Mostly East) I can’t imagine this would happen. Texas would be out of the door before the new members were even invited. This is the big problem with Big 12 expansion, they’re are no teams that make sense to add money or football wise and doing so would alienate the teams that have options (Texas and Oklahoma) to leave. Besides would Adding two random AAC teams even fix the problem? Anyone think the winner of TCU vs KSU is going to get picked over a big name like the OSU? Had the big 12 team been OU instead of TCU, or the big 10 team had been Northwestern, the big 12 team would have in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937.md?page=47)