# 2014 College Football General Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 30, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937 "2014-08-30T03:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Snupzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Snupzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snupzilla)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/962 "2014-12-11T04:21:08Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Sorry, I’m more than a bit skeptical of those numbers. For one, it’s a Bleacher Report article that’s drawing data from multiple sources, so I’m not confident its truly apples to apples. For two, the numbers are inflated by counting half-shares for TCU and WV; going forward that won’t be the case. But biggest of all, it’s looking at (afaict) 2012 revenue not looking forward (I mean, not counting the SEC network money or including the Big 10’s revenue from MD/NYC is kind of a big miss). It’s an absolute fact that the Big 12 currently takes in per school around the same as the other 4 major conference for the first two tier of media rights. Kansas, Iowa, and West Virginia may not be huge markets but Texas is the second largest state in population. Forbes estimates them right behind the Big 10 with $26.2 million per school for 2014. K This is a simple total over number of schools formula so there is no effect from half shares (shouldn’t be any this year anyways as TCU and WVU are fully vested). [http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2014/04/15/the-most-valuable-conferences-in-college-sports-2014/](http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2014/04/15/the-most-valuable-conferences-in-college-sports-2014/) > [@](#): > > On a per-school basis, the Big Ten does best with $26.5 million per member school from TV deals, tourney play and bowls. But right on the Big Ten’s tail is the Big 12, which collected $26.2 million per member school from those three sources. Further back are the Pac-12 ($24.9 million), ACC ($21.8 million) and SEC ($19.4 million). It’s necessary to note that these amounts don’t represent what the schools actually receive in conference distributions; the conference first takes a piece of the pot to pay for conference-level expenses, and some new or partial conference members receive smaller distributions. > [@furt](#): > > For two, if lacking cohesive rivalries is fatal, then all of the conferences are doomed, as they’ve all done it. I can’t name an expansion effort by the SEC that did not make sense geographically and rivalry wise. Nebraska and PSU were great moves for the Big 10. Maryland and Rutgers is a bit of stretch but they are in neighboring states to members and at least represent a cohesive vision for what the Big 10 wants to be. CU makes more sense in the Pac 12 than it did in the Big 12. > [@furt](#): > > What does that mean, it’s doomed? All the teams are going to disappear? Become unaffiliated independants? Be absorbed into the SEC? What? They would go the way of the Southwest, Big East (football), and Metro conferences and be gobbled up by other conferences. The Pac 12 gobbling up Texas and Oklahoma teams is probably the best bet for a start. It’s possible that the remaining teams still have a league called the Big 12, but it would be different. I’m not saying this will happen, only that willy nilly adding teams to get to 12 may hasten this rather than prevent it. The Big 12 should sit back a couple years and see how the playoff unfolds. It’s not like anyone else is going to snatch up the remaining potential targets out there. They are making good money and playing good football. ---
**Author:** ![Snupzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Snupzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snupzilla)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/963 "2014-12-11T04:30:32Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Actual numbers from tax returns for season 2013, reported in 2014 for each conf: > Pac 12: $334 million > B1G: $318 million > SEC: $314 million > ACC: $291 million > Big 12: $221 million (reported as 2013-2014 season but I believe that is a typo) Yes, but now divide by the number of schools. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/964 "2014-12-11T04:47:49Z")
Pac 12: $334 million / 12 = $27.8 million B1G: $318 million / 14 = $22.7 million SEC: $314 million / 14 = $22.4 million ACC: $291 million / 14 = $20.7 million (I excluded ND, not sure if correct or not) Big 12: $221 million / 10 = $22.1 million ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/965 "2014-12-12T17:42:44Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Did you mean TTU instead of UT? > > Where’s K-State? And Baylor? > > I agree that Longhorns bit off their nose to spite their face. And I would love it if the most of Big XII teams merged with the PACxx. > > Personally I think UCF and Cincy would be great additions to the BigXII I meant Utah; Basically the Pac-8 is one division, and the other is the remaining 4 plus the 4 most attractive Big 12 teams, which to me (assuming Texas refuses) would start with OK and OK st. After that it gets iffy … Kansas would add a lot in basketball, but not much else, K- State brings football, but also not much else. They’d definitely want to add a school in Texas, but TTU is in freaking Lubbock, and all the rest are non-elite private schools (and stuff like that does matter to faculty and administrators making the decisions). There’s no simple fit. **Snupzilla** , you’ve persuaded me that the Big 12 isn’t hurting that much by staying at 10 teams for now. I still think that they can make \*more \*by expanding, and it would probably help them athletically … but it depends on how they value prestige/tradition/regionalism vs. hard cash. (Sorry, though, I don’t buy your arguments about most of the recent expansions making sense in terms of regionalism or rivalries; maybe Nebraska makes sense, but IMO the rest of them are all rationalized marriages of commerce and convenience.) UCF in particular, no matter how big it is, carries the stigma of being a directional school, only the 2nd of those in a P5 conference. As you say, it will depend on how it plays out: if they get a team in each of the next couple years, they can stay put. If a 11-1 Texas team gets skipped in favor of a 12-1 someone else, the fan will be shitted. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/966 "2014-12-12T18:10:30Z")
> [@furt](#): > > UCF in particular, no matter how big it is, carries the stigma of being a directional school, only the 2nd of those in a P5 conference. I had to look this up, but now I’m curious. Who’s the other one? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/967 "2014-12-12T18:17:11Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > I had to look this up, but now I’m curious. Who’s the other one? Southern Cal? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/968 "2014-12-12T18:26:18Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Southern Cal? 🙂 Ayup. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/969 "2014-12-12T19:41:59Z")
? Southern Cal is a private school. By that measure there a bunch of P5 teams that are directional schools. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/970 "2014-12-12T19:52:18Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > ? Southern Cal is a private school. By that measure there a bunch of P5 teams that are directional schools. :dubious: Nothing to do with public/private. “Southern California” is directional in the same way that “Central Michigan” and “East Carolina” are. “Stanford” is not. I guess you could argue that Northwestern is directional, too, but it’s not “Northwestern Illinois.” ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/971 "2014-12-12T20:15:42Z")
> [@furt](#): > > :dubious: > > Nothing to do with public/private. “Southern California” is directional in the same way that “Central Michigan” and “East Carolina” are. “Stanford” is not. > > I guess you could argue that Northwestern is directional, too, but it’s not “Northwestern Illinois.” Huh. Most of the definitions I saw made a clear distinction between public and private. Public schools can be directional, but not private schools. No big deal either way since it’s not any kind of official designation. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/972 "2014-12-12T22:30:58Z")
A USC fan (paging GatoPescado…) would shit bricks if he felt you were categorizing USC with Southern Illinois and Central Michigan…which is why I put a smiley on my response. It’s a running joke amongst Pac fans to call USC a directional school. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/973 "2014-12-12T22:34:49Z")
Well, UCF is in the same conference as South Florida, East Carolina and Southern Methodist. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/974 "2014-12-12T23:20:52Z")
In case you missed the award show (like I did) yesterday, Marcus Mariota won the Davey O’Brien (best quarterback), Maxwell (best player) and Walter Camp (best player) trophies to go along with the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm trophy he won Monday. I think he’s up for another one tomorrow, but I can’t remember the name. First Duck to win any of them. Well deserved. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/975 "2014-12-13T00:01:55Z")
Funny thing is, a full game after his season-ending fibula snappage, the unheralded Washington State starting QB still led division I in total passing yardage. I expect in a couple years he will probably be leading the upstart Redblacks to the Grey Cup final. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/976 "2014-12-13T00:47:59Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Funny thing is, a full game after his season-ending fibula snappage, the unheralded Washington State starting QB still led division I in total passing yardage. I expect in a couple years he will probably be leading the upstart Redblacks to the Grey Cup final. Speaking of WSU QBs… > **[Deadspin | Ryan Leaf Is Out Of Prison And He Looks Terrible](https://deadspin.com/ryan-leaf-is-out-of-prison-and-he-looks-terrible-1666817956/)** > > Deadspin | Ryan Leaf Is Out Of Prison And He Looks Terrible ETA: amazing to remember that there was a big debate over whether the first 1998 draft pick should be Leaf or Peyton Manning. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/977 "2014-12-14T02:17:29Z")
Grats Marcus Mariota! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/978 "2014-12-14T02:25:13Z")
I admit it. I blubbered a bit. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/979 "2014-12-14T02:27:41Z")
Army/Navy was a good game. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/980 "2014-12-14T04:57:24Z")
I’m glad Mariota won, but I thought it was classless of ESPN to rub in what a runaway it was in front of the other two guys. They could have waited till SportsCenter or whatever for that kind of stuff. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937/981 "2014-12-18T02:02:34Z")
Bo Pelini cracks me up, I love following his trail of tears. Some pretty funny stuff in here: > **[Pelini slams Eichorst in vulgar talk during final meeting with players, says...](https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/bo-pelini-insults-a-d-shawn-eichorst-in-expletive-filled/article_b202b14a-8633-11e4-8c91-f3f5386da4f8.html)** > > “A guy like (A.D. Shawn Eichorst) who has no integrity, he doesn’t even understand what a core value is," former Husker coach Bo Pelini told players. "And he hasn’t understood [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2014-college-football-general-thread/696937.md?page=50)