No, he’s the head of the Rapid Puppies, the faction that was supposed to vote in lockstep and which - NOT the Sad Puppies - indeed got their slate onto the ballot. The force behind Castalia House, which name you see all over the ballot. The public face of the Puppy movement.
That’s Theodore Beale: bigot, sexist, homophobe, one of the worst human beings on earth. Except for, possibly, his minions.
That’s the person you and emarkp keep somehow managing to keep out of the conversation. Your own personal Stalin.
No, it absolutely will not do. If you had bothered to read it, you would have seen this:
Not one word about not reading the nominations. Quite the contrary. They are instructions what to do after you have read the nominations.
For the rest of you, here’s how disgusting the Sad Puppies were. Lou Antonelli, a definite Puppy, wrote “a letter to the Police Department of Spokane, Washington, telling them to be on the lookout for someone who may incite violence — Sasquan guest of honor David Gerrold.” This was before the convention. Yes, he did. He really, really did.
On and this one that I can’t link to directly but if you gohere and scroll down past the top it will appear
This on is fascinating on a couple of levels. First off, buying memberships for other people is supposed to be illegal (rule from when the Scientology tried to get L Ron a Hugo)
It shows the anti puppies did the same thing as the puppies (got new people to join) but they didn’t ask the people to read the books first.
However bringing new people in to World Con is only bad when the puppies do it.
One problem with books being pushed (by anybody) for specific content rather than objective merit (whatever that is) is that someone can get some mileage simply by having his cover say “Hugo Award Nominee”. If people buy it and think it’s crap, then they’ll think “Gee, if this got a nomination and it’s crap, what about the books that didn’t even get nominated. They must really be crap.” And the whole genre suffers.
In fact, someone who lost to “No Award” could probably get away with saying that the judges decided that nothing was better than his novel!
If the Westboro Baptist Church had taken over your totally principled denunciation of homosexuality you couldn’t get away with ignoring their presence when every outsider looked at the situation and vomited. There are not two groups of Puppies. There is one consolidated Puppyness, with Ted Beale the Alpha Dog. You own him. Nothing you ever do can be outside his shadow.
Vox Day may have also gone on to run his own campaign, but he absolutely was involved in SP3, and right from the very beginning, too, helping to pick the works that would appear on the slate.
Which comes from February 3, 2015 over a month before the nomination closed and the puppies were soliciting suggestions. Even with your pretzel logic, you can’t call that a suggestion to vote for a Hugo on a book since it had not even been nominated yet.
There are five nominations in a category. The puppies say read the books and vote for the ones you like, now for the sake of argument lets say there are 100 puppies and they evenly split on what is the best book. So each of the five books gets 20% of the puppy vote. How in the fuck is that a slate? A slate is where someone says vote for book A short story B and so on so all 100 sad puppy votes go to the same person to try and get them to win.
A slate is where you start a website to tell and instruct people on how vote no award.
Ah, the old my post is my cite. Yeah the same people that have to date not found anywhere where any of the sad puppies ever said don’t read the book, but vote this way.
Why am I not surprised that people around here didn’t like the books the SP’s put up, you approach them with such open minds. [/scarcasm]
Which is exactly what the noaward.com site said, and yet you used that as a cite that they were telling people *not *to read the nominations. You can try to have it both ways but nobody here will let you.
Heck, Ted Beale won’t let you.
Ted Beale, Ted Beale, Ted Beal… Oh, no. Not three times.
I read Tom Kratman’s “Big Boys Don’t Cry”. It’s a terrible, poorly-written story originally set in Keith Laumer’s “Bolo” universe, only it was so terrible and poorly-written that the gatekeepers of Laumer’s legacy thankfully refused to let it be associated with him, and so Kratman filed the serial numbers off and published it under (surprise, surprise) Vox Day’s Castalia House imprint. As a bonus, it contains a not-so-veiled personal attack on a SpaceBattles forum poster who mocked Kratman’s laughably bad self-insert Mary Sue fanfic about the War on Terror, because Kratman is just that thin-skinned and petty.
And this piece of shit was something that the Puppies felt was one of the best sci-fi/fantasy novellas of 2014.
Now, hold on just one fucking minute. I’m no fan of Catholic doctrine as it relates to gays, but on behalf of the wonderful, caring, Catholics among my family and my friends, I have to object to your disingenuous attempt to shrug of the repulsive statements of your little buddy there as just “believing Catholic doctrine.”
This is the Catholic doctrine towards homosexuality:
This is what the guy you’re standing up for wrote:
Actual Catholic teaching: Respect, compassion, sensitivity.
John C. Wright’s teaching: Exterminate them like termites.
You and Rick have both failed pretty spectacularly in differentiating Sad Puppies from Rabid Puppies, but the thing is, it doesn’t matter: the guy you hold up as an acceptable public face of the movement is a miserable shitbag bigot. We don’t need Ted Beale to discredit your movement. John Wright is more than enough to dump the entire movement into the shitter.
You might want to go back and read what Brad wrote in context of how it was written. Yes he mentioned Vox. He was being attacked and attacked for not denouncing Vox. Here read it.
Here is the link to what he said the previous year, short story he doesn’t think condemning someone is the morally right thing to do.
Well they have lied time after time about the sad puppies and their goals. You have witnessed some of it in this thread.
But you want more? How about a senior editor at Tor books (part of the cool kids group) who in a Facebook post promoting one of their people for something said in response to a question “what are the puppies?” said and I qoute
Unbelievable right? It’s true, the post has been taken down,but screen shots exist.
Now when the going gets weird, the weird get going. People started taking her to task on her comment so being the adult adult that she is, she responded by posting pictures of cats.
People pointed out that the sad puppies have women and a bisexual on their slate, and she posts pictures of cats. (No shit look at the screen shots)
One author that supports the sad puppies Peter Grant was so upset he wrote an open letter to Tom Doherty which in part said
this got so out of hand Tom Doherty wrote an apology letter.
Now what makes this double funny is Jim Butcher author a very successful author and sad puppy nominee is published by Tor. The art director of Tor Books called one of their best selling authors a bad-to-reprehensible writer. Look at the screen caps above Jim himself calls her unprofessional.
Hell I even commented in that thread to Mr. Butcher that I didn’t want to tell him how to run his business, but I have heard that Baen doesn’t insult the authors that write for them.
so when it was over she posted an non-apology apology
Over and over the SJW have called both Brad and Larry homophobic and racist. Both have said take a look at what we have written and show us where we have ever been racist or homophobic.
No one ever has.
So you will understand that the sad puppies take the attitude that an SJW is lying, until proven otherwise.
Errm, no. It’s got no rhythm and no emotion - in the original, you can feel the love between narrator and victim. Here, bupkis. And far too fucking long. And the political digs are so fucking unsubtle.
What’s to expand on? I’m pointing out that being Hispanic does not mean one necessarily isn’t white.
I didn’t say they were a bunch of old white guys. I just said if Correia is being taken as a counter-example for his (nonexistent) Hispanicness, he’s a poor one, as his hypothetical Hispanicness doesn’t preclude his Whiteness.
Much better to argue that he doesn’t fit ‘old white guy’ because he’s not old. Guy’s only 38.
The lack of rhythm is what got me. Wright’s clearly going for something, but it comes across as unbearably pompous and pretentious: he can’t carry off the overwrought language he tries to use. And the imagery is hackneyed and manipulative. I stopped once the little black girl was shot in slo-mo, her pink dress described in detail.
The discussion at the time was the SPs have repeatedly been described as a bunch of old white guys, i.e. not of minority status. Oh yes, I know you didn’t say that.
However, I couldn’t help but notice you were implying rather strongly that Correia is not Hispanic, even though he describes himself as such. It’s kind of relevant because, you know, it’s the minorities that the puppies are supposedly trying to keep out of the genre.
You seem to think he’s pretty white, so wondering why you think that.
