# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/541 "2015-10-29T08:30:11Z")
Sanders’ top aides go over what the strategy will be to beat Clinton over the next three months. The most interesting part is a direct threat to go negative on Clinton if she continues to go negative on Sanders: [http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-28/bernie-sanders-brain-trust-says-he-can-beat-hillary-clinton](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-28/bernie-sanders-brain-trust-says-he-can-beat-hillary-clinton) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/542 "2015-10-29T08:34:23Z")
BTW, it should be noted that the head of the Sanders campaign is a guy who has won a few primary campaigns, Tad Devine. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2015, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/543 "2015-10-29T13:07:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sanders’ top aides go over what the strategy will be to beat Clinton over the next three months. Do they include the key members of Biden’s campaign team? Because that’s the same sort of things we heard from them, and you, until very recently, right? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/544 "2015-11-05T14:26:52Z")
CNN on Bernie’s troubles since Hillary’s October surge: [http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/bernie-sanders-struggles/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/bernie-sanders-struggles/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/545 "2015-11-05T23:01:39Z")
[Bernie just made a play to secure the stoner demographic](http://www.vice.com/read/bernie-sanders-just-introduced-a-bill-to-end-the-prohibition-on-marijuana-vgtrn-927). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/546 "2015-11-06T03:51:11Z")
Sanders has also now decided that her emails are a character issue: > **[Bernie Sanders Does an About-Face on Clinton’s Emails](https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-does-face-clinton-175800492.html;_ylt=AwrBT8nhIzxWFH0Aci9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNWY0aDkzBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjExNjZfMQRzZWMDc2M-)** > > Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has changed his tune on Hillary Clinton’s email problem. Sanders’ comments appear to reverse the stance he took last month during the first Democratic presidential debate. The line drew lengthy applause and prompted a... ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/547 "2015-11-08T02:32:11Z")
Having run against Vermont Democrats 14 times over the years, and having long insisted he’s an Independent, Bernie has decided he’s finally a Democrat after all: [Sanders declares as Democrat in NH primary](http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2015/11/05/sanders-declares-democrat-nh-primary/75242938/). We’ll see just how long he remains one. My guess is, not much beyond the Democratic National Convention next summer if he loses the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/548 "2015-11-08T04:13:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The only way to pay for a large welfare state of the type Sanders envisions is to pretty much double the overall tax burden on everyone. Cite? I’ll give you a head start on the research – what is “the overall tax burden on everyone” in the Scandinavian social democracies? Might be pretty high – but, then, the system also obviates, by the state assuming, certain expenses that are personal/private expenses here, such as higher education and health care. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/549 "2015-11-08T04:34:05Z")
Which doesn’t change the fact that the tax burden is higher. Plus we pay more for defense. You know what it is when you don’t have control over most of your budget because most of your budget is managed by someone else? It’s called living at your parents’ house. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/550 "2015-11-08T04:59:06Z")
“Living at your parents’ house”? That’s actually not what that is. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/551 "2015-11-08T05:02:04Z")
It’s pretty close. The majority of your money is managed for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/552 "2015-11-08T15:56:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which doesn’t change the fact that the tax burden is higher. Plus we pay more for defense. You know what it is when you don’t have control over most of your budget because most of your budget is managed by someone else? It’s called living at your parents’ house. The ultra-wealthy should be paying _all_ of the Pentagon budget. None of them actually serve, so they should be paying all of the bills. ---
**Author:** ![FightMyIgnorance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71e660/32.png) [@FightMyIgnorance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FightMyIgnorance)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/553 "2015-11-08T23:16:43Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Having run against Vermont Democrats 14 times over the years, and having long insisted he’s an Independent, Bernie has decided he’s finally a Democrat after all: [Sanders declares as Democrat in NH primary](http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2015/11/05/sanders-declares-democrat-nh-primary/75242938/). > > We’ll see just how long he remains one. My guess is, not much beyond the Democratic National Convention next summer if he loses the nomination. You seem oddly hung up about Bernie Sanders’ relation to the Democratic Party. My question is: why does it matter? For the purposes of committee assignments Sanders is considered a Democrat. However much you must malign him for remaining an independent, the fact of the matter is that Sanders is probably the most progressive member of the Senate, and can be safely counted on to vote for Democratic imitatives. He’s probably more supportive of those initiatives than much of the Blue Dog Democrat caucus. I’m hoping we could move past “my tribe good, everyone else bad” hostility, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/554 "2015-11-08T23:19:18Z")
Why do you Sanders people even try anymore? Hillary has the nomination in the bag. The last debate was just for show. The democratic leadership is just jerking you around. Now be good little democrats and do what your told and bow to queen Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/555 "2015-11-09T00:21:23Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Why do you Sanders people even try anymore? Hillary has the nomination in the bag. The last debate was just for show. The democratic leadership is just jerking you around. > > Now be good little democrats and do what your told and bow to queen Hillary. Right just like in 2008 when Hillary was the establishment candidate and it would have been silly to consider voting for that other guy. Please spare us your inaccuracy and condescension. I voted for Hillary then and I intend to vote for her this time around too. I think she’s the better candidate but if I’m forced to chose between whatever nut job the Republicans manage to put up and my second choice Bernie he’ll get my vote. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/556 "2015-11-09T01:40:14Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Why do you Sanders people even try anymore? Hillary has the nomination in the bag. Because Sanders is playing a long game – a game that does not end in July 2016 and does not end in November 2016. He’s starting a **movement.** The goal is to change the prevailing/consensus politics of the Democratic Party, to pull it to a left-progressive position, permanently. Sanders himself will never be POTUS, but the POTUS after Hillary will look a lot like him politically. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/557 "2015-11-09T01:55:06Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Having run against Vermont Democrats 14 times over the years, and having long insisted he’s an Independent, Bernie has decided he’s finally a Democrat after all: [Sanders declares as Democrat in NH primary](http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2015/11/05/sanders-declares-democrat-nh-primary/75242938/). > > We’ll see just how long he remains one. My guess is, not much beyond the Democratic National Convention next summer if he loses the nomination. I’m sure that’s why he caucused with the Democrats for his tenure in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/558 "2015-11-09T04:46:14Z")
I am a loyal Democrat, and I think party affiliation should count for something. If you’ve run against the candidates of a particular party _14 times_ during your career, long insisted you weren’t of their party, even highly criticized that party for being sellouts and much like the other major party, why - other than for sheer political expediency - run for the first time as a member of that party when you seek the Presidency? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/559 "2015-11-09T04:49:57Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I am a loyal Democrat, and I think party affiliation should count for something. If you’ve run against the candidates of a particular party _14 times_ during your career, long insisted you weren’t of their party, even highly criticized that party for being sellouts and much like the other major party, why - other than for sheer political expediency - run for the first time as a member of that party when you seek the Presidency? See post #556. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/560 "2015-11-09T04:59:33Z")
Movements are nice but you have to persuade enough people to get to 51%. Getting the 20% more excited doesn’t get you very far. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=29)