# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/781 "2016-02-01T16:30:34Z")
Bernheads have oft complained that the media don’t cover their guy enough. But this morning I was listening to NPR’s Morning Edition, which has 13 million listeners–surpassed only by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh for listenership, and certainly represents the most Democratic primary voters among the audience of any radio show. After finishing an interview with Hillary Clinton, the host noted “we reached out to Senator Bernie Sanders to ask him to appear, but he declined”. WTF is that? How am I supposed to take the complaints about media coverage seriously, when he blows off that kind of opportunity? Incidentally, his campaign has also, it turns out, blown off my teenaged son’s offer to volunteer and get Sanders supporters to the polls tonight. Not only do they apparently not need any help, it would seem they don’t want to help stoke the flames of his young idealism and help solidify his commitment to the cause. :dubious: Seems to me like a strange set of campaign tactics, and a less than impressive way to kick off a “political revolution”. But what do I know, I’m just an old-school member of the Establishment… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/782 "2016-02-01T17:12:46Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Like I already mentioned, Volkswagen “tilted the table” for itself, on a global scale, just recently. And who ever would have expected **Volkswagen** to think so **big?!** Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/783 "2016-02-02T03:49:00Z")
Im currently seeing these results: Clinton 49.8% 19 delegates Sanders 49.6% 21 delegates I could be wrong, but to me that looks like a huge win for Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/784 "2016-02-02T05:21:15Z")
Not sure where you are seeing that. Maybe just recently updated? [HuffPo reports](http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-02-01) 28 Clinton, 21 Sanders, 3 outstanding. And after NH comes less friendly high delegate count turf. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/785 "2016-02-02T05:35:27Z")
Considering the massive lead Clinton has in super delegates is there any real chance he can win? Ok maybe if some new Clinton scandal emerges, but apart from that I’m not seeing it. Is it a real option for Bernie to hang on as long as possible then throw in support for Clinton for a promise of a cabinet position and some of his agenda being addressed? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/786 "2016-02-02T08:48:33Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I could be wrong, but to me that looks like a huge win for Sanders. Yeah, I think [you’re wrong.](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/upshot/how-the-virtual-tie-in-iowa-helps-hillary-clinton.html?_r=2) ---
**Author:** ![FightMyIgnorance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71e660/32.png) [@FightMyIgnorance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FightMyIgnorance)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/787 "2016-02-02T10:35:35Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yeah, I think [you’re wrong.](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/upshot/how-the-virtual-tie-in-iowa-helps-hillary-clinton.html?_r=2) Indeed, that Sanders cannot win a state that has a supermajority of white voters does not bode well. Sanders has complete domination of the younger voters, not so much in many other demographics. If Sanders loses, I hope he at least creates a generation of devoted primary and general election voters, the toxic “Bernie or nothing” crowd aside. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/788 "2016-02-02T19:35:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Michael Moore endorses Sanders.](http://michaelmoore.com/MyEndorsementOfBernie/) What took him so long?😕 I would have guessed Moore would have endorsed him long before he actually decided to run. > [@coremelt](#): > > Considering the massive lead Clinton has in super delegates is there any real chance he can win? Ok maybe if some new Clinton scandal emerges, but apart from that I’m not seeing it. Is it a real option for Bernie to hang on as long as possible then throw in support for Clinton for a promise of a cabinet position and some of his agenda being addressed? Well, obviously it’s an option, and it’s what losing candidates typically do. I’m seeing his chances as slim but not none at this point, somewhere around 5%. The superdelegate thing is definitely a real problem for him, but in the (unlikely) event that he becomes the clear choice of the Democratic primary voters, I imagine at least some of them would switch. It would be very interesting to see what would happen at this point if, God forbid, some personal or political catastrophe befell Hillary. Would the Democratic establishment accept Sanders, or draft someone else (Biden?) to mount a campaign? Can’t really see the former, but it’s getting awfully late for the latter. > [@FightMyIgnorance](#): > > Indeed, that Sanders cannot win a state that has a supermajority of white voters does not bode well. > > Sanders has complete domination of the younger voters, not so much in many other demographics. If Sanders loses, I hope he at least creates a generation of devoted primary and general election voters, the toxic “Bernie or nothing” crowd aside. Yeah, I’m considering last night a slightly bad outcome for Bernie; if he can’t decisively win Iowa, he’s got a long way to go to compete on the national level. OTOH, at least he didn’t lose, and it could be seen as a “momentum-building moral victory” by voters who aren’t geeky enough to engage in demographic analysis. At one point (admittedly early on) last night, I saw that Bernie was getting **over 90%** of the under-27 vote, giving me great hope for the long-term future of the country. And on the other side: Goodbye, Mr. Trump. Please shut your mouth behind you on the way out. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/789 "2016-02-04T23:00:21Z")
[BERNIE: It’s ‘beyond comprehension that Lloyd Blankfein would lecture our campaign’](http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-lloyd-blankfein-hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-2016-2) > [@](#): > > During a Wednesday interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” Blankfein was asked about Sanders’ criticism of him. He replied by saying Sanders’ populism had the potential to be a “dangerous moment.” > > \ > > > [@](#): > > > > It has the potential to be a dangerous moment — not just for Wall Street, not just for the people who are particularly targeted — but for anybody who is a little bit out of line. We have a moment in time where … it’s a liability to say, “I’m willing to compromise.” … > > > > It’s just incredible. It’s a moment in history. Eventually people, the electorate, will notice nothing is getting done and somebody will come up with a new idea of saying, “Hey, send me to Washington and I’ll compromise and I’ll get things done.” And that will be the new thing and everybody will rally to that point. There’s a pendulum that swings in markets and also in the political economy as well. But right now it’s an odd moment in time. > > In his fund-raising message, Sanders said he found “it a little beyond comprehension that Lloyd Blankfein would lecture our campaign about ‘dangerous moments’ after Wall Street received huge bailouts from the working families of this country.” ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/790 "2016-02-05T03:04:31Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > [Here](https://youtu.be/CvZRsdHgxgA) is Bernie Sanders introducing and talking rather positively about Noam Chomsky back in the '80s. > > The idea that a trusted American corporation like Microsoft would tilt the table for the establishment is certainly out there. When has that ever happened? The risk is simply too great, chance of discovery/leak too high for Microsoft to make such a catastrophic mistake. > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Like I already mentioned, Volkswagen “tilted the table” for itself, on a global scale, just recently. Volkswagen tilted the table in order to provide a better product to consumers. A little different. Do you buy Bernie’s conspiracy theory? It appears you are of the conspiracy theory left. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/791 "2016-02-05T03:44:59Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Volkswagen tilted the table in order to provide a better product to consumers. My, how altruistic of them! Interesting definition of “better” you’ve got there, too, since cars affected by Volkswagon’s little act of charity were worse than what was advertised, not better. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/792 "2016-02-07T19:36:39Z")
Vermont’s elected Dems line up for Hillary, not Bernie: [http://vtdigger.org/2016/02/05/vermont-politicians-gang-up-for-clinton-in-new-hampshire/](http://vtdigger.org/2016/02/05/vermont-politicians-gang-up-for-clinton-in-new-hampshire/) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/793 "2016-02-07T20:03:23Z")
Here’s an interesting thing: In 1960, many Americans were saying no Catholic should be president. In 2008 . . . nobody in any way respectable was saying no black should be president, but it was obvious many were thinking it. But in 2016, nobody seems to have any problem with Sanders being Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/794 "2016-02-07T20:21:19Z")
John Kerry’s Catholicism in 2004, or Martin O’Malley’s this year, is also a non-issue. Hillary’s and Carly Fiorina’s being women is also not a big deal, judging by press coverage and polling. For all our problems, America has grown up in many ways since 1960. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/795 "2016-02-07T20:25:05Z")
Even more striking, he’s not even a religious Jew, practically an atheist, and nobody seems to mind that either – not on the Dem side, at least. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/796 "2016-02-08T00:43:42Z")
Not nobody. I am a Dem, and I definitely mind. (The atheism, I mean.) ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/797 "2016-02-08T01:28:22Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Not nobody. I am a Dem, and I definitely mind. (The atheism, I mean.) Would you have said the same about JFK in 1960 or Obama in 2008? It’s almost certain, in Obama’s case, that his skin colour cost him hundreds of thousands if not millions of votes so by your reasoning we should have objected to his race as well. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/798 "2016-02-08T01:41:39Z")
I voted for Obama in the’08 primary, but the percentage of voters who refuse to vote for atheists is much higher. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/799 "2016-02-08T01:50:03Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I voted for Obama in the’08 primary, but the percentage of voters who refuse to vote for atheists is much higher. Except from his personal statements, Sanders isn’t an atheist much less portray himself as one. He’s going to run as a Jew which virtually no voter has a problem with these days. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/800 "2016-02-08T02:23:05Z")
Kimmel asked him if he believed in God, and he declined to say yes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=41)