# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1061 "2016-04-11T23:21:20Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Let’s be clear. They wanted _a_ bill. They didn’t necessarily want _that_ bill. But [many black politicians supported](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2016/02/why_many_black_politicians_backed_the_1994_crime_bill_championed_by_the.html) \*that \*bill: > [@](#): > > On one level, there was grassroots mobilization of the community, particularly by black pastors. There was a group of influential black pastors who signed a letter encouraging the Congressional Black Caucus to support the bill. And then later, on top of that, black elected officials, who portrayed themselves at various points as uncomfortable with some of these laws, went along anyway because of pressure coming from their communities, and because they also realized the problem was so bad. And sometimes their support or opposition was really related to party politics, whether or not the politician pursuing the law was a member of their party, or whether supporting the law would benefit their own political and electoral interests. So it’s a complicated mix for them, in terms of their motivation. > > There’s an interesting quote from the letter those pastors wrote to the Congressional Black Caucus: “While we do not agree with every provision in the crime bill, we do believe and emphatically support the bill’s goal to save our communities, and most importantly, our children.” A group of 10 black city mayors also supported the bill. So while there was some opposition in the black community, there was also significant support. Many of the members of the Congressional Black Caucus did try to get rid of some of the more punitive elements in the bill, but in the end they decided to go with the president and support the final bill. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1062 "2016-04-12T03:25:56Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > My, what a nice strawman you built! > > I never said Hillary Clinton was racist. Oh now this is the best part about Bernie Bros – now effing balls to come out and just be truthful about what they actually insinuating. Look, pal, you clearly made reference to Hillary Clinton “calling black people” super predators. Don’t try to dance around it. Don’t be a Bernie Bro. Okay, you put it out there, and I responded to it because you put it out for consumption. So don’t effing try to be coy with me and suggest that you didn’t inject race into the discussion – you did. I’m not one of your Millennial classmates or coworkers. I spot bullshit, and I call it out. Capisce?! BE A **MAN** at minimum!!! > [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > You should tell her to stop [apologizing for it](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/25/hillary-clinton-responds-to-activist-who-demanded-apology-for-superpredator-remarks/) if it’s as benign and harmless as you imply. She apologized because she knows that in 2016 people don’t understand the context in which her comments were made. She also apologized because she knows that people were affected by the unintended consequences of the law. Now let me ask you this one, Bernie Brah: HAS BERNIE SANDERS APOLOGIZED FOR VOTING FOR THE LAW?!?!?!??! At least Hillary Clinton had the decency to apologize for the unintended consequences of a law that she advocated (it shoul be noted that she, unlike Bernie Sanders, didn’t VOTE for the law; she merely supported it). But Bernie Sanders **actually voted for the fucking law**. Awww, what’s da madduh? Don’t like reality? Christ, if Bernie Sanders is having such a hard time living down a single vote that he actually had to stick his neck out on, imagine how he’d be if he were president. See, Bernie Sanders voted for this law (which hurt blacks) because it didn’t matter. Unlike Hillary Clinton, he’s never, ever, ever had to account to the Black community for his votes. He lives in white Vermont. That might be why he has had a hard time living down and explaining his vote for gun manufacturers, despite the fact that Black Mayor after Black Mayor demanded accountability. I actually met (several times) one of those black mayors: Marc Morial of New Orleans. He was one of THE largest proponent of the laws because he saw the hundreds of lives that were lost to the NRA’s nutty positions on the issue of firearms. There are other black mayors. Don’t talk about race and what Bernie’s done and what Hillary hasn’t done for inner city African Americans 'cause Bernie can’t win – trust me on that one. Ain’t about what’s been said in a sound byte; it’s about the effort, the wars that have been fought. Sanders never had to defend the African American community. Clinton has, and did so, and will do it again. And that’s why, despite all of the essays you try to write on Huff Post and Mother Jones, real people don’t seem to buy it. It’s not about promises made; it’s about action taken and sacrifices made…bro. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1063 "2016-04-12T04:10:19Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > But [many black politicians supported](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2016/02/why_many_black_politicians_backed_the_1994_crime_bill_championed_by_the.html) \*that \*bill: Your quote doesn’t really dispute what I said: > [@](#): > > There’s an interesting quote from the letter those pastors wrote to the Congressional Black Caucus: “While we do not agree with every provision in the crime bill, we do believe and emphatically support the bill’s goal to save our communities, and most importantly, our children.” My emphasis. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1064 "2016-04-12T04:24:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … . Bernie Brah . . . Up the Socialist Irish Jews! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1065 "2016-04-12T05:28:50Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh now this is the best part about Bernie Bros – now effing balls to come out and just be truthful about what they actually insinuating. > > Look, pal, you clearly made reference to Hillary Clinton “calling black people” super predators. Don’t try to dance around it. Don’t be a Bernie Bro. Okay, you put it out there, and I responded to it because you put it out for consumption. So don’t effing try to be coy with me and suggest that you didn’t inject race into the discussion – you did. I’m not one of your Millennial classmates or coworkers. I spot bullshit, and I call it out. Capisce?! BE A **MAN** at minimum!!! And when I spot personal derogatory remarks and insults I issue Warnings. This sort of rant does nothing to promote discussion. I will not issue a Warning on this occasion, but keep the personal remarks out of the discussion. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1066 "2016-04-12T09:51:51Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > And when I spot personal derogatory remarks and insults I issue Warnings. > This sort of rant does nothing to promote discussion. > > I will not issue a Warning on this occasion, but keep the personal remarks out of the discussion. > > [/Moderating] I’m sorry, tnd and JSLE. You’re right, I went overboard a little. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1067 "2016-04-12T14:41:38Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Your quote doesn’t really dispute what I said: > > My emphasis. Uh… what?! Does anyone agree with every provision in a massive bill? I’m pretty sure that President Obama didn’t agree with every provision in the ACA (he had to give on the public option). That doesn’t mean he didn’t support it. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1068 "2016-04-12T16:40:33Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Uh… what?! Does anyone agree with every provision in a massive bill? I’m pretty sure that President Obama didn’t agree with every provision in the ACA (he had to give on the public option). That doesn’t mean he didn’t support it. Why do you have a problem with context? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1069 "2016-04-12T17:30:18Z")
Do Bernie supporters grasp the long odds or do they genuinely think he’ll get nominated? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1070 "2016-04-12T18:47:32Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Why do you have a problem with context? I find this to be ironic from Sanders’ supporters. Do they ever consider the context with which Clinton has voted for or given support for bills? Or that the vast majority of voters were clamoring for increased crime penalties in 1994 (and the states had already taken the forefront of the issue)? ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1071 "2016-04-12T19:04:05Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I find this to be ironic from Sanders’ supporters. Do they ever consider the context with which Clinton has voted for or given support for bills? Or that the vast majority of voters were clamoring for increased crime penalties in 1994 (and the states had already taken the forefront of the issue)? I’m not a “they”, I’m an individual poster here. You are talking\* at\* me instead of _to_ me. And you speak of irony… ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1072 "2016-04-12T19:45:55Z")
You are part of a they. My contention stands. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1073 "2016-04-12T19:47:25Z")
You really have to love the media. On MSNBC’s front page, the current #3 story is linked as: Are Dems souring on Clinton? Which goes to this article that unequivocally states they’re not but that she still has a long fight to the nomination (duh): [http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/leading-23-million-votes-clinton-still-faces-long-primary-battle](http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/leading-23-million-votes-clinton-still-faces-long-primary-battle) Talk about click bait. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1074 "2016-04-12T19:56:06Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > You are part of a they. My contention stands. Fine. Let it be known that you are using my post as a jump off for a rant, and are in no way engaging in a discussion. I suppose I should no longer think of you as an individual poster, and hold you responsible for anything anyone who supports Hillary Clinton says or does. Because you’re all alike, right? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1075 "2016-04-12T20:01:13Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Fine. Let it be known that you are using my post as a jump off for a rant, and are in no way engaging in a discussion. I suppose I should no longer think of you as an individual poster, and hold you responsible for anything anyone who supports Hillary Clinton says or does. Because you’re all alike, right? What, you think that would be a new development? The notion that we are all just individual posters with our own separate individual notions of the campaign and not a product of our interest groups is somewhat amusing, however. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1076 "2016-04-12T20:05:53Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > What, you think that would be a new development? > > The notion that we are all just individual posters with our own separate individual notions of the campaign and not a product of our interest groups is somewhat amusing, however. I’m sorry you think so little of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1077 "2016-04-12T20:10:28Z")
Seriously? Dopers are using the term “Bernie Bros”? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1078 "2016-04-12T20:12:16Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > What, you think that would be a new development? > > The notion that we are all just individual posters with our own separate individual notions of the campaign and not a product of our interest groups is somewhat amusing, however. I would hope we are. That’s what democracy is supposed to be about: healthy debate, informed decision-making, and its proper expression. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1079 "2016-04-12T20:20:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > I would hope we are. That’s what democracy is supposed to be about: healthy debate, informed decision-making, and its proper expression. I think that we, especially Americans, overemphasize individualism. I think this election in particular has shown that people tend to take on the way of looking at things as their candidate echo chambers do, while thinking the other candidate’s supporters are the ones in echo chambers. Also I think the studies that have indicate that people tend to make their decisions on the basis of “gut” emotions and then post hoc rationalize that choice or decision comes into play here as well. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1080 "2016-04-12T21:56:14Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > What, you think that would be a new development? > > The notion that we are all just individual posters with our own separate individual notions of the campaign and not a product of our interest groups is somewhat amusing, however. Believe it or not, there are independent thinkers out there, and I’d hope they’d disproportionately congregate here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=55)