# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1081 "2016-04-13T10:16:21Z")
Can we all just get along? [QUOTE=Robert Reich] An old friend writes “I’m so disappointed in you for supporting Bernie Sanders.” Another says “Glad you feel the bern. Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt politician in recent American history.” Can we all please get a grip? Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are both excellent candidates. Hillary is the most qualified to the lead the political system we have today, and Bernie is the most qualified a transform it into the system we need. Both are a thousand times better than either of the leading Republican candidates, and far better than Paul Ryan (who I still believe is going to be the Republican nominee, after they duke it out at a brokered convention). Look, I understand feelings are running high right now. Many Bernie supporters are furious with Hillary (and her supporters), and vice versa. But I urge you to keep things in perspective, and lower the temperature. We’re going to need each other. [/QUOTE] … Or at least just get a grip? ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1082 "2016-04-13T11:49:16Z")
Or to be exact, the wording was slightly more contemptuous of the old creature: [QUOTE=Robert Reich] “I’ve known Hillary Clinton since she was 19 years old, and have nothing but respect for her. In my view, she’s the most qualified candidate for president of the political system we now have,” Reich said. “But Bernie Sanders is the most qualified candidate to create the political system we should have, because he’s leading a political movement for change.” [/QUOTE] Reich referenced [a Princeton survey](https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf) that included analysis of 1,799 policy issues from 1981 to 2002, and which ultimately [concluded](https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf) that “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically insignificant impact upon public policy.” Reich added that since 2002, the _Citizens United_ and _McCutcheon_ decisions have only “opened the floodgates to big money” even more. [QUOTE=Robert Reich] “This election is about changing the parameters of what’s feasible and ending the choke hold of big money on our political system… The upcoming election isn’t about detailed policy proposals. It’s about power – whether those who have it will keep it, or whether average Americans will get some as well.” [/QUOTE] [**U. S. Uncut**](http://usuncut.com/politics/robert-reich-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-best-candidate/) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1083 "2016-04-13T22:34:09Z")
Slammalammadingdong. NY Daily News endorses Hillary, and in no uncertain terms. [http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/vote-hillary-clinton-article-1.2598171](http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/vote-hillary-clinton-article-1.2598171) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1084 "2016-04-13T23:30:43Z")
The Daily News hit piece on Bernie made it pretty clear where they stood, early on. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1085 "2016-04-13T23:38:30Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Daily News hit piece on Bernie made it pretty clear where they stood, early on. Couldn’t have anything to do with Bernie coming off TOTALLY unprepared, could it? Naaaaaaah. And spare me the BS about the transcript, been there, done that. Contrast it with Hillary’s interview, if you can bring yourself to read it. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1086 "2016-04-14T00:15:04Z")
Nope, it was clear that the Daily News wrote the piece to make it look like Bernie was ill prepared. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1087 "2016-04-14T00:47:03Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Nope, it was clear that the Daily News wrote the piece to make it look like Bernie was ill prepared. Please. I read the transcript too. He WASN’T prepared. And Hillary was all over it. Hmm…let’s see…endorse the guy whose only chance to get on base is getting a walk or throwing softballs, or the woman who hit it out of the park? I’ll take the guy who can only get walks for 200, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1088 "2016-04-14T01:05:41Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Do Bernie supporters grasp the long odds or do they genuinely think he’ll get nominated? Oh, I’m pretty sure everyone has grasped the long odds from day one. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1089 "2016-04-14T14:52:47Z")
The Sanders campaign seems to be trying a new tack – building a coalition of allied candidates for Congress. In the past few days I gotten several emails from the campaign endorsing about a half dozen candidates and even suggesting I slit my Bernie contributions with one or more of them. It seems a little late for this approach, but better late than never. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1090 "2016-04-14T15:20:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Slammalammadingdong. > > NY Daily News endorses Hillary, and in no uncertain terms. > > [http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/vote-hillary-clinton-article-1.2598171](http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/vote-hillary-clinton-article-1.2598171) Given it’s the NY Daily News, I was surprised “Slammalammadingdong” was not the actual title of the editorial. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1091 "2016-04-14T16:16:15Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > The Sanders campaign seems to be trying a new tack – building a coalition of allied candidates for Congress. In the past few days I gotten several emails from the campaign endorsing about a half dozen candidates and even suggesting I slit my Bernie contributions with one or more of them. It seems a little late for this approach, but better late than never. Not a little late at all. At least here in Florida, the Congressional primaries are not until August 30 and the campaigning is just getting started. Any sooner would have been too soon. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1092 "2016-04-14T19:10:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Given it’s the NY Daily News, I was surprised “Slammalammadingdong” was not the actual title of the editorial. I missed my chance! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1093 "2016-04-14T23:00:10Z")
Anyone else think it’s a mistake for Bernie to head to the Vatican? He’s not going to win New York, but he needs to limit the damage. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1094 "2016-04-14T23:20:00Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Given it’s the NY Daily News, I was surprised “Slammalammadingdong” was not the actual title of the editorial. [It could have been worse.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/marla-maples-trump-was-th_b_9438540.html)😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1095 "2016-04-15T00:41:29Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Anyone else think it’s a mistake for Bernie to head to the Vatican? He’s not going to win New York, but he needs to limit the damage. It will do him good, there are a lot of Catholics in NY. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1096 "2016-04-15T00:47:48Z")
[Kate McKinnon as Hillary:](http://www.salon.com/2016/04/10/i_love_being_back_in_the_fat_apple_my_home_state_watch_kate_mckinnon_hilariously_mock_hillary_clintons_new_york_cred_on_snl/) “See, New Yorkers, I’m just like all of you. I never sleep, I’m in a hurry to get to work, and when I’m running I really hate it when a slow old Jew gets in my way.” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1097 "2016-04-15T08:22:58Z")
Sanders supporters aren’t willing to pay for Sanders’ plans: > **[Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution)** > > Bernie Sanders says his platform makes financial sense for most Americans. For example, his campaign says Sanders's single-payer health care system would save an average family of four almost... Given this reality, someone should ask Sanders what his single top priority will be, since he’ll probably only be able to get one given how much his own supporters are willing to open their wallets. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1098 "2016-04-15T11:51:33Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Anyone else think it’s a mistake for Bernie to head to the Vatican? He’s not going to win New York, but he needs to limit the damage. It’s a Hail Mary. Likely it will end up neither helping or hurting, in NY, or past it. Pretty dense polling now within the last week and all show him double digits down and if anything slightly dropping. It would take a lot to move that needle. Yes there are a lot of Catholics, and even a lot of liberal Democratic Catholics with particular affection for this particular Pope, and not _only_ for his social-economic justice messaging (Hispanics have some ethnocentric pride I’d suspect). But polishing his apple with a drop of Holy water won’t impact their choices much. Those that view him more positively for it will be offset by similar to larger numbers who see it as a transparent cynical pandering attempt to manipulate them. OTOH being there is not moving numbers up (the most recent NBC 4 New York/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll is at 17 down 3 points more in the hole than the one a few days previous) so it likely won’t cause much harm either. He’s got nothing to lose. Ten down is no less buried than eighteen when you need to be winning the state by large margins. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1099 "2016-04-15T18:45:53Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > … Yes there are a lot of Catholics, and even a lot of liberal Democratic Catholics with particular affection for this particular Pope, and not _only_ for his social-economic justice messaging (Hispanics have some ethnocentric pride I’d suspect). But polishing his apple with a drop of Holy water won’t impact their choices much. Those that view him more positively for it will be offset by similar to larger numbers who see it as a transparent cynical pandering attempt to manipulate them. … It can’t help that the Pope has declined to meet with Sanders: > [@](#): > > For Sanders, who trails Clinton by about 250 pledged delegates, the trip was a chance to boost his thin foreign policy credentials and bask in tacit approval – if not an endorsement – from a pope who is extremely popular among liberals. > As recently as Wednesday, Sanders expressed the hope he would get a one-on-one with Pope Francis, but the Vatican said no. > “There won’t be a meeting with the Holy Father,” said the Rev. Federico Lombardi, a spokesman for the Vatican. [http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-15/at-vatican-sanders-compares-his-vision-to-the-popes](http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-15/at-vatican-sanders-compares-his-vision-to-the-popes) Rather embarrassing for Sanders, who no doubt would have liked to have a bit of video with a smiling Francis, for use in his campaign spots. Sanders’ trip won’t do much to ‘boost his foreign policy credentials’ (as the saying goes), absent that footage. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1100 "2016-04-15T19:53:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sanders supporters aren’t willing to pay for Sanders’ plans: > > [Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution | Vox](http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution) > > Given this reality, someone should ask Sanders what his single top priority will be, since he’ll probably only be able to get one given how much his own supporters are willing to open their wallets. You could say the same about Ted Cruz or one of the other normie shill Republicans who got steamrolled by TRUMP this year. How many of their voters would have been willing to give up spending for defence contracts, infrastructure, and so forth to fatten the parasitic caste with tax cuts deliberately tailored towards them? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=56)