# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1141 "2016-04-20T18:46:53Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Pretty funny that people are saying that Sanders should drop out in order to unify the party now that his chances of winning the nomination are essentially nil. Y’know, just like Hillary Clinton didn’t do in 2008. That was actually much more harmful to the party, as the Republicans had already settled on a candidate. It’s not that funny. You seem here to be coming from the idea that Hillary supporters now were Hillary supporters then but that is not necessarily the case. I know specifically of a couple current Clintonistas on the board who were Obamaists in 2008. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1142 "2016-04-20T18:53:41Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It’s not that funny. You seem here to be coming from the idea that Hillary supporters now were Hillary supporters then but that is not necessarily the case. I know specifically of a couple current Clintonistas on the board who were Obamaists in 2008. Like me. I was annoyed when Hillary kept slogging on long after it was obvious she had lost, and I’m annoyed with Sanders for the same reason. (And I was really annoyed when, after Clinton finally dropped out, Obama’s campaign sent out an email soliciting for funds to help pay her campaign debt. I think I actually gave my screen the finger.) ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1143 "2016-04-20T19:04:38Z")
And not all 2008 Hillary Clinton supporters are calling for Sanders to drop out. I backed Clinton in 2008 and I have no issues with Sanders staying in. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1144 "2016-04-20T19:23:56Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Bernie is now officially Ralph Nader. He has zero chance to win now, he is campaigning only to hurt Hillary and to ‘bern’ the country to the ground. That’s a ridiculous comparison. Right now the support Bernie has can allow him to go to the convention and have an impact on the issues that the DNC take on and stances Hillary will take. That influence is not only important for Bernie, but also for the Democrats who should want and definitely need for the future that young block coalition that Bernie has fostered. If Bernie runs as a third party competing against Hillary, then that would be a valid comparison. That hasn’t happened yet and I do not believe it will. Sent from my SPH-L720T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1145 "2016-04-20T19:42:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I think next week will be telling. He will probably lose in MD, but if he can win the rest, he could surge again as the race moves Westward again. I predict Clinton wins Maryland by 15-20 points, but it’s still very possible that Sanders could win Rhode Island and Connecticut. I think CT will be harder with Clinton possibly receiving a post-NY bump, but still within reach for Bernie. Pennsylvania may be the most important race yet. Clinton is expected to win, and if she does, any realistic path left for Bernie is probably blocked. He probably needs to go 4 for 5. But if he can do it, then it could lead to another winning streak, which could be punctuated with a California win on June 7. For what it’s worth here are the win probabilities for the 4/26 primaries derived from PredictIt and 538’s polls plus model where available. ```auto PredictIt 538 Clinton Sanders Clinton Sanders Connecticut 90.10% 9.90% 93% 7% Delaware 94.06% 5.94% Maryland 98.00% 2.00% 99% 1% Pennsylvania 91.09% 8.91% 94% 6% Rhode Island 54.90% 45.10% ``` ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1146 "2016-04-20T21:29:07Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > And not all 2008 Hillary Clinton supporters are calling for Sanders to drop out. I backed Clinton in 2008 and I have no issues with Sanders staying in. I agree; I like Clinton more, and hope that she wins and am happy that it seems more and more certain, but I don’t mind if Sanders stays in. I do very much mind that he’s doing negative campaigning while he stays in, doing things like accusing Clinton of violating campaign finance law, accusing Clinton of calling him unqualified (which she didn’t) and then saying that she’s unqualified, and basically saying that when he’s lost it’s because the election was stolen or it’s some conspiracy from the establishment. And while Sanders hasn’t been sexist against Clinton, I’m bothered by the sexism of some of his supporters, and how he’s not tried more to get that to shut down. If he keeps campaigning and kept things on the issues, I think that would be great. But the negative campaigning against Clinton only helps Trump or Cruz, and that’s what’s bothersome. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1147 "2016-04-20T21:42:36Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Ummm, that doesn’t seem to be a good read on the temperature of the party bigwigs, from the reports I’ve been seeing. Its a nice spin for Sanders supporters, but do you have any cite that says the Establishment agrees? What the fuck does it matter whether the Establishment agrees? ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1148 "2016-04-20T21:55:39Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What the fuck does it matter whether the Establishment agrees? Because you were refuting my post on the Establishment - the Dem Supers. And talking yourself about the Establishment. If you suddenly switched topics from one post to the next, I missed it. That’s why it fucking matters, because that was the topic. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1149 "2016-04-20T22:30:46Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Because you were refuting my post on the Establishment - the Dem Supers. And talking yourself about the Establishment. If you suddenly switched topics from one post to the next, I missed it. > > That’s why it fucking matters, because that was the topic. No, I was talking about the base, not the Establishment. Sanders has expanded the Dem base and all the augmentation has been on the left side. That will help the Dems win in November but it will also change the nature of the party in future cycles, and even the Establishment will have to change whether the Establishment likes it or not. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1150 "2016-04-20T22:44:54Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > That’s a ridiculous comparison. Right now the support Bernie has can allow him to go to the convention and have an impact on the issues that the DNC take on and stances Hillary will take. How do you think he can do that? All that happens at a convention that anybody notices or cares about is the nomination. The nominee sets the platform and the tone, and everybody gets behind him/her or they simply look like assholes. A failed challenger gets nothing but a capital L on the forehead. Or perhaps you have a recent historical comparison to offer. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1151 "2016-04-20T22:46:44Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Pretty funny that people are saying that Sanders should drop out in order to unify the party now that his chances of winning the nomination are essentially nil. Y’know, just like Hillary Clinton didn’t do in 2008 She \*did \*have a real chance right up until the day she dropped out. For Sanders, that day is long past already. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1152 "2016-04-20T22:55:12Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, I was talking about the base, not the Establishment. Sanders has expanded the Dem base and all the augmentation has been on the left side. That will help the Dems win in November but it will also change the nature of the party in future cycles, and even the Establishment will have to change whether the Establishment likes it or not. Well I was talking about the establishment, the fact that to win, regardless of other counts, Sanders needs the Supers, and the establishment is pissed at him right now. Unless something huge happens, Sanders will not convince the Supers to move. And I think it remains to be seen if there has been any change in the base. There was a shift in 2008 when Obama won, but it didn’t hold up for midterms. Progressives have to deliver votes - all the way down ballot - it they are going to get taken seriously by the establishment. If they don’t show up in 2018, they are dilettantes. The base shows up, every election, and votes for the Democrats on the ticket - that is why they are the base - a base of dependable voters for the party that you can count on. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1153 "2016-04-20T22:58:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > She \*did \*have a real chance right up until the day she dropped out. For Sanders, that day is long past already. She also had a point with the Michigan thing. Granted it was a point that worked to her advantage, and didn’t in the end turned out to be moot, but it was a pretty strong point. (And I supported Obama in 2008) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1154 "2016-04-20T23:05:12Z")
Just ftr, Sanders needs to get 73% of the remaining delegates just to draw even. Who here thinks that’s a real non-zero possibility? Anybody? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1155 "2016-04-20T23:12:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Sanders has done, has been to get hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of voters to register this year for the first time – and they’ll still be registered in November and they ain’t gonna vote for Trump/Cruz [Actually:](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/18/bernie-sanders-supporters-could-vote-for-donald-trump-expert.html) > [@](#): > > Some Democratic Party supporters could end up voting for GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump, if he ends up battling against Hillary Clinton for the White House, one expert has told CNBC. > > “Trump’s an outsider but he’s been very, very successful,” Dominic Dyer, fellow at networking organization The British American Project and Council, told CNBC Friday. > > “Yes this campaign’s been based on fear and prejudice to a degree, but (Trump) has gone in right on those trade issues, the issues that really worry a lot of working class Americans about the fact that they’re working harder for less today. That resonates with the Bernie Sanders campaign as well.” > > “If you look at the swing states – like Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania – these issues of trade and issues of Americans working harder to stand still in the last eight years really resonates with voters.” [And…](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/13/bernie-sanders-supporters-consider-donald-trump-no-hillary-clinton) > [@](#): > > So we are not seeing the birth of a new cross-party force in American politics. But we are seeing an interesting political dynamic. Almost one in 10 Sanders supporters apparently think Trump is next best thing to their candidate, and certainly better than Clinton. 1/10 of millions of voters is a significant amount. It’s enough to flip some swing states, especially combined with 10-20% of the black vote. And Trump has only just begun to pivot to the middle [and started to court them](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asKJOjKDxoo&feature=youtu.be&t=1323). This fraction will increase over time. Note the [new ad](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/722483180826181633) the other day that associates the negative attention Trump has received from the media and establishment first and foremost with _Carl Rove._ Sander’s continuous portrayal of Clinton as bought and paid for by big moneyed interests plays perfectly into Trump’s hand. At this point his campaign is essentially an auxiliary of Trump’s. [25 percent of Sanders voters would shun Clinton](http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article70202867.html) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1156 "2016-04-20T23:14:04Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Just ftr, Sanders needs to get 73% of the remaining delegates just to draw even. Who here thinks that’s a real non-zero possibility? Anybody? Look at it this way. Sanders needs to get 3 delegates for every one Hillary gets, from here out. That requirement will probably be something like 5 to 1 by this time next week. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1157 "2016-04-20T23:21:31Z")
And that’s the frustrating part of the Sanders campaign. If California was a winner take all state for the Dems and he could come from behind and grab 476 delegates, then it would make a great movie. But, it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1158 "2016-04-20T23:31:20Z")
I am seeing the[Medium.com “On Becoming Anti-Bernie”](https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.d5akw22yo) article from three days ago passing around like crazy on social media, with people abandoning and disavowing Bernie in droves. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1159 "2016-04-20T23:34:47Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > [Actually:](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/18/bernie-sanders-supporters-could-vote-for-donald-trump-expert.html) So because CNBC is stupid enough to ask some British animal rights guy for some American voting predictions, we should all take note? From your second link: > [@](#): > > In an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey conducted by Hart Research Associates this month, 7% of Sanders voters said they could see themselves supporting Trump. Some 66% said the same for Clinton. That’s some serious flailing you’re doing, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1160 "2016-04-20T23:37:06Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So because CNBC is stupid enough to ask some British animal rights guy for some American voting predictions, we should all take note? Polling and anecdotal evidence support his opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=59)