# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1321 "2016-05-17T22:59:06Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > His own feelings matter only to the extent that he’s willing to step up and show some leadership, show he believes in a party and a society and a country bigger than himself. Do you think he will, or even can? Do you think those of his supporters who think the actions in Nevada were at all justified can do that either.? Do you think \*you \*can? I think he’s going to do what he’s always said he was going to do: Have all the votes be counted and take it to the convention. I happen to believe that Hillary and Bernie will both do what’s right, it’s just not what some annoying Sanders supporters would want to hear and it’s not on the timeline that annoying Clinton supporters want. We have nearly six months until the election. Primary states are still voting. Hillary is in no rush to have Sanders leave the race, so I’m not so sure why you are. You complain that Sanders supporters don’t listen to him when he says things they don’t like. Well, [here’s what Hillary said](http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-exit-race/): [QUOTE=Hillary Clinton] I know there are some contests ahead and I respect Sen. Sanders and whatever choices he’s making. And I have a lot of empathy about this, Anderson. You know, I ran to the very end in 2008. [/QUOTE] So maybe you and your ilk should chill the fuck out. As [Nate Silver](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-sanders-hurting-clinton-by-staying-in-the-race/) said just today, “I think Sanders supporters will probably line up behind Clinton after California and that Democrats will wind up with high levels of party unity.” And also, if you are so fucking worried about beating Trump and getting people to support Hillary, calling his supporters and Sanders names in a public forum is probably not the best way to do it. In a Facebook post I made expressing my frustration with Sanders supporters, a friend of mine about my age posted the following: > [@](#): > > It can be trying - I wish I could block “USUncut” from my newsfeed, lol - just remember for a lot of these people it’s their first time engaging in the process, either because they are young and immature, or because they are older but have just never cared for a candidate before to get this engaged. > > They can’t tell the difference between regular voting irregularities and suspicious ones, they do not quite understand the issue between open and closed primaries, and while older folks like you and I are somewhat accustomed to media bias and establishment machine politics, they are new to that and freshly outraged, and respond accordingly. As such, they don’t get how discrediting their outbursts and conspiracies have been with regard to the campaign, and frankly, the campaign hasn’t done the best job guiding them on that. > > I’m glad they’re passionate, I hope they stay that way and I hope they learn to channel that passion in more constructive ways going forward. This is a much better way to look at it, and Bernie getting issues that are important to young people on the forefront is a better way to look at it (better than I was looking it) and much better than what you guys are doing. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1322 "2016-05-17T23:16:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Harry Reid just said on NPR that he is “hopeful and confident that [Sanders] will do the right thing”. WILL do. He won’t; he craves the attention. What I’m beginning to hate about Bernie is that whereas Trump is at least honest and forthright in being a douchebag, Bernie tries to play the role of the douchebag of compassion. But back to the more substantive criticisms of Bernie, what is it that we don’t know that we’re missing? What is it that we’ll regret if we don’t nominate Bernie? Will we miss the administrative and economic incompetence that is typically associated with the Left, the kind that basically forced Burlington College to close? Are we going to miss how his own supporters, who probably only show up every 4 to 8 years to vote anyway, are seemingly clueless about how to grab delegates? They want us to believe they can run the country when they can’t even run a small liberal arts college or pick up two delegates in a local campaign meeting. Uh, sorry, but no. Unfortunately, though, there’s no talking to these people. They’re just going to address these criticisms with more of the same rage that they’ve been using to fuel their campaign in the first place. I won’t hide my contempt, which is growing by the day. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1323 "2016-05-17T23:47:23Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I think he’s going to do what he’s always said he was going to do: Have all the votes be counted and take it to the convention. The question was about the violence and death threats. I take it your answer would be No, if you could face it squarely. > [@](#): > > I happen to believe that Hillary and Bernie will both do what’s right It’s already pretty much too late for Bernie to start. And what does Clinton have to do with Sanders’ supporters’ conduct? Just more of your evasion? > [@](#): > > We have nearly six months until the election. Primary states are still voting. Hillary is in no rush to have Sanders leave the race, so I’m not so sure why you are. We’ve been over that, too, but now you’re even evading to yourself. Sanders is now doing no more than damaging Clinton and the entire party, and thereby helping Trump. As are you. It’s time to face it. > [@](#): > > You complain that Sanders supporters don’t listen to him when he says things they don’t like. I did? When? And when did Sanders tell his own people, directly, to cut the shit? > [@](#): > > So maybe you and your ilk should chill the fuck out. I didn’t think you were so new here that you don’t know how hilarious a post using the word “ilk” is. 😉 > [@](#): > > As [Nate Silver](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-sanders-hurting-clinton-by-staying-in-the-race/) said just today, “I think Sanders supporters will probably line up behind Clinton after California and that Democrats will wind up with high levels of party unity.” It would help if Sanders himself, and his supporters, actually started to do that, wouldn’t it? > [@](#): > > And also, if you are so fucking worried about beating Trump and getting people to support Hillary, calling his supporters and Sanders names in a public forum is probably not the best way to do it. I’m not beating anyone up, or making death threats, or evading addressing those who are. Time to drop the butthurt and accept some responsibility for your own conduct, instead of pretending only other people have any. > [@](#): > > Bernie getting issues that are important to young people on the forefront is a better way to look at it (better than I was looking it) and much better than what you guys are doing. So are you ready to cut the shit and stop helping Trump? Is _Sanders_? So long as the answer isn’t Yes, it’s No. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1324 "2016-05-17T23:56:14Z")
You be ilkin’… I’ll be here all week… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1325 "2016-05-18T00:07:12Z")
[del]The Lizard Man[/del] Jeff Weaver is on CNN right now disclaiming any responsibility on the part of the campaign for Nevada. Same old line about how unfair the process is. Nothing to see here. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1326 "2016-05-18T00:58:39Z")
[Sanders has lost Kos now, too:](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/17/1527598/-Amazing-Bernie-Sanders-still-can-t-tell-his-most-crazed-supporters-to-stop-acting-like-Trump-goons) > [@](#): > > Today, Sanders released the biggest shit statement I’ve seen from a Democrat since … Joe Lieberman? It’s been a while. And it’s an utter disgrace, utterly contradicting the very advice he gave Trump just two months ago. > … > Your supporters are calling a top Democrat “you fucking stupid bitch”, and you open with your stump speech? The fuck? And before someone says, “How do we know this wasn’t an agent provocateur or David Brock?” fact is, if it was, it’d be easy for Sanders to condemn that, right? The issue here aren’t the assholes making those calls, it’s that Sanders refuses to condemn that behavior. > … > > "The Sanders claim essentially comes down to this: My people were louder, even though they were outnumbered, so we should have won. That’s it. > > — Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) May 17, 2016" > … > > I do find it funny that Sanders supporters decry the unfairness of this caucus system when the bulk of Sanders’ delegates comes from unfair caucuses. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1327 "2016-05-18T02:05:02Z")
Haha Debbie Wasserman-Schultz slaps down Weaver and the campaign for his statement as I write this. Should make the news pages within the hour. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1328 "2016-05-18T02:12:11Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I think he’s going to do what he’s always said he was going to do: Have all the votes be counted and take it to the convention. > > I happen to believe that Hillary and Bernie will both do what’s right, it’s just not what some annoying Sanders supporters would want to hear and it’s not on the timeline that annoying Clinton supporters want. > > We have nearly six months until the election. Primary states are still voting. Hillary is in no rush to have Sanders leave the race, so I’m not so sure why you are. > > You complain that Sanders supporters don’t listen to him when he says things they don’t like. Well, [here’s what Hillary said](http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-exit-race/):So maybe you and your ilk should chill the fuck out. > > As [Nate Silver](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-sanders-hurting-clinton-by-staying-in-the-race/) said just today, “I think Sanders supporters will probably line up behind Clinton after California and that Democrats will wind up with high levels of party unity.” > > And also, if you are so fucking worried about beating Trump and getting people to support Hillary, calling his supporters and Sanders names in a public forum is probably not the best way to do it. > > In a Facebook post I made expressing my frustration with Sanders supporters, a friend of mine about my age posted the following:This is a much better way to look at it, and Bernie getting issues that are important to young people on the forefront is a better way to look at it (better than I was looking it) and much better than what you guys are doing. Nope, you’re wrong. Sanders is inciting instability. Those of us who see it for what it is don’t have to sit on our hands and hope he goes away. I will stand up and say it bluntly: GET THE FUCK OUT THE ELECTION!!! ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1329 "2016-05-18T02:12:22Z")
My diehard FB Bernhead friend weakly protests that Markos was always for Hillary. But that site was heavily Bernie-oriented last time I visited; now, there are three diaries on the recommended list that are apparently written by Bernie fans but which lament how ugly things are getting and express varying degrees of disillusionment. President Obama is on the train too: > [@](#): > > The White House on Tuesday suggested that Sanders has a responsibility to speak out against his supporters’ actions. [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-wasserman-schultz-223271#ixzz48yB70QLq](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-wasserman-schultz-223271#ixzz48yB70QLq) I’m liking my Robespierre comparison more and more all the time… ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1330 "2016-05-18T02:21:20Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/fLZy2SZr5QA/maxresdefault.jpg "Democrats Claim Bernie Sanders Supporters Are Violent") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLZy2SZr5QA) Do people still watch TYTs? I don’t know how to feel about all of this. Where WAS the violence? Seriously. And why does it seem like everything seems to lean into Hillary’s favor when something goes wrong? It just seems fishy to me, but I’m open to how other’s respond to me, and perhaps, the video if they have the time. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1331 "2016-05-18T02:22:32Z")
I long ago lost respect for Sanders (and I really did start out having a fair amount) but he is going lower and lower in my books. How a person loses is perhaps a bigger test of character than how they win. He has failed that test big time. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1332 "2016-05-18T02:25:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > He won’t; he craves the attention. What I’m beginning to hate about Bernie is that whereas Trump is at least honest and forthright in being a douchebag, Bernie tries to play the role of the douchebag of compassion. > > But back to the more substantive criticisms of Bernie, what is it that we don’t know that we’re missing? What is it that we’ll regret if we don’t nominate Bernie? Will we miss the administrative and economic incompetence that is typically associated with the Left, the kind that basically forced Burlington College to close? Are we going to miss how his own supporters, who probably only show up every 4 to 8 years to vote anyway, are seemingly clueless about how to grab delegates? They want us to believe they can run the country when they can’t even run a small liberal arts college or pick up two delegates in a local campaign meeting. Uh, sorry, but no. > > Unfortunately, though, there’s no talking to these people. They’re just going to address these criticisms with more of the same rage that they’ve been using to fuel their campaign in the first place. I won’t hide my contempt, which is growing by the day. So. Much. **TRUTH**. They are really living up (down) to every stereotype of the feckless left, that can’t organize a three car funeral but wants to run the nation’s banking and health care systems out of D.C. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1333 "2016-05-18T02:27:10Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I said nearly double, and I obviously meant in one year, but it’s nice to see how quickly a Bernie supporter can slip into snide classism when it’s dealing with someone who isn’t on the team. Do you realize when you use this jibe that your hero became a dad in 1969 and spent the next decade plus as way more of a broke-ass slacker than I have ever been since my kids were born? Pfffft. Lol. I am not a Bernie supporter and this ain’t 1969. And unless Sanders had 4 kids and earned less than $5000 in 1969 ,he was less of a slacker than you are now. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1334 "2016-05-18T04:39:06Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > [Bernie Sanders’ campaign’s official response](https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-nevada/) to the Nevada convention brouhaha. Excerpt: > > I’m done with the “He won’t be the nominee, but I’m glad he’s still in the race” malarkey. His “revolution” is curdling and so is he. Clinton stayed in the race way longer than she should have in 2008 but I don’t recall her rhetoric ever sinking to these kinds of depths. Sanders is contributing nothing anymore except to reinforce to a bunch of (mostly young and idealistic) would-be Democratic voters that the system is irredeemably corrupt, and unsalvageable without him at its head. This is no longer about normalizing the concepts of single-payer health or free college tuition to a moderate electorate; this is a personal crusade fueled by self-righteousness, entitlement and spite. It needs to end. I seem to recall the Bernie-mob being a good thing when it was mobilized against Trump to prevent him from speaking. Now that this is hindering Clinton he and his groupies got to fall in line and shut up? ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1335 "2016-05-18T04:44:31Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I seem to recall the Bernie-mob being a good thing when it was mobilized against Trump to prevent him from speaking. Now that this is hindering Clinton he and his groupies got to fall in line and shut up? Since when was it a good thing? 😕 There’s nothing wrong with protest, but I don’t agree with depriving people of their right to speak and be heard. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1336 "2016-05-18T07:00:44Z")
I even started a thread about it. I think Drumpf is a fascist shitbag, but I was still staunchly against what those Bernhead disruptors did. No contradiction here! ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1337 "2016-05-18T07:07:44Z")
According to [Josh Marshall](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/it-comes-from-the-very-top) (who seems to have been seriously knocked for a loop by the events in Nevada), those of us hoping for Bernie to moderate his rhetoric are in for a long wait: > [@Josh Marshall](#): > > But the ‘burn it down’ attitude, the upping the ante, everything we saw in that statement released today by the campaign seems to be coming from Sanders himself. Right from the top. […] > > It’s not driven by people around him. It’s right from him. And what I understand from knowledgable sources is that in the last few weeks anyone who was trying to rein it in has basically stopped trying and just decided to let Bernie be Bernie. Swell. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1338 "2016-05-18T07:29:08Z")
Well, it _is_ a revolution. Maybe that’s less of a metaphor than people thought when he started saying it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1339 "2016-05-18T09:22:05Z")
Right. Marshall, and anyone else surprised by this, hasn’t been paying attention. Sanders is not, and never has been, a liberal Democrat. He is a radical leftist who was reluctantly convinced to make a pro forma liaison with the DNC for the purpose of trying to take Hillary down and promote his revolutionary agenda. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1340 "2016-05-18T10:49:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I seem to recall the Bernie-mob being a good thing when it was mobilized against Trump to prevent him from speaking. Now that this is hindering Clinton he and his groupies got to fall in line and shut up? Echoing the “bullshit” on this. Pretty damn unified here. Protesting outside an event fine, blocking access to or disrupting an event, not. Using violence and making death threats? Not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=68)