# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1441 "2016-05-22T17:29:08Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > the idea that Wasserman-Schultz has been evenhanded in the Democratic primary contest is ridiculous. The debate schedule was clearly set up to screw over Sanders and O’Malley for starters. There is no doubt in my mind she has done everything possible to tilt the playing field in favor of HRC. Frankly, I would be happy to see her replaced by someone more progressive. I dont see it. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1442 "2016-05-22T17:56:04Z")
And this is why I’m so annoyed with the Sanders campaign. If he is seriously still in the race because he thinks he can win, why is pisssing away time getting involved in a house primary battle? The Sanders campaign has been about conspiracy theories and a persecution complex from day one. The DNC is against me, not enough debates, times of the debates,coin flips in Iowa, voter registration in New York, polls in Arizona. The media ‘never covers Bernie’ yet they gloat about the huge rallies they get over the pathetic turnout Clinton gets, all covered on the news. Bernie Sanders is trying for the ultimate in Hail Mary passes and he’s taking time to complain to the referee about the antics of the mascot. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1443 "2016-05-22T18:30:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And why is it that the Clinton/Obama Establishment is always ready to compromise with the right but takes a “my way or the highway” attitude with progressives? Congressional math. Learn it. Love it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1444 "2016-05-22T19:31:15Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > And this is why I’m so annoyed with the Sanders campaign. If he is seriously still in the race because he thinks he can win, why is pisssing away time getting involved in a house primary battle? The Sanders campaign has been about conspiracy theories and a persecution complex from day one. The DNC is against me, not enough debates, times of the debates,coin flips in Iowa, voter registration in New York, polls in Arizona. The media ‘never covers Bernie’ yet they gloat about the huge rallies they get over the pathetic turnout Clinton gets, all covered on the news. > > Bernie Sanders is trying for the ultimate in Hail Mary passes and he’s taking time to complain to the referee about the antics of the mascot. Because he needs a scapegoat for his losing. It couldn’t possibly be that the majority of Democrats prefer Hillary, no matter what the numbers say. It was that nasty, evil Establishment that did it to him. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1445 "2016-05-22T19:46:32Z")
At this point all Bernie is doing is hurting his cause by turning people against him and hurting the democrats by turning his followers against them. All that overtone window shit goes out the actual window when you are just pissing people off. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1446 "2016-05-22T20:09:09Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes, the bit I put in red is going to be on the minds of a lot of the Ds. The phrase “persona non grata” may as well have been invented for ol’ BS. Funny how Bernie was an old fool, a Nader, not to be backing progressives in the Congress to try to reform the Democratic Party; but when he does, he’s vindictive and deserves to be kicked out of the caucus. Sure. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1447 "2016-05-22T20:21:51Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Funny how Bernie was an old fool, a Nader, not to be backing progressives in the Congress to try to reform the Democratic Party; but when he does, he’s vindictive and deserves to be kicked out of the caucus. > Sure. You’ve made a straw man argument: you imply that what had been said (by me or by any other poster) was ‘Bernie Sanders is backing progressive candidates, and that’s a vindictive thing to do!’ Of course that’s not what I said, and as far as I can see, not what anyone else has said. If Bernie Sanders had been “backing progressive **s** in the Congress to try to reform the Democratic Party,” as you claim, I’d say Go, Bernie! Because that would be a very worthy endeavor–one I’d applaud. What he’s actually doing, seems a little less noble than that. He’s trying to get rid of one particular Representative who he sees as being his political enemy. That’s why the word “vindictive” seems appropriate, here. In addition to the “nyah nyah Debbie” effort, apparently he’s endorsed and is offering cash to three other progressives who all happen to have been in a strong position to win election even before he got involved. (per DSeid’s post, a few above this one.) That’s good, I guess. It would mean more if he were helping those who actually need help, but…at least he’s making the effort. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1448 "2016-05-22T21:37:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > O’Hehir is being either naïve or disingenuous: footage of rioting Sanders supporters will certainly be employed by the GOP to argue for the “law and order” that Trump and down-ticket Republicans will purportedly guarantee. ‘Look \*at what Democrats are like–think about what voting for a Democrat will mean for your safety and the safety of your children’ \*will be the theme. > > Fascist candidates always do well when there is video of rioters to deploy; ask Richard Nixon, who did well off exploiting fear, with late-60s riots and the August 1968 Democratic National Convention clashes getting plenty of television coverage. > > Any violence that Sanders supporters have committed or will commit on camera, will certainly be exploited by the GOP. (The same would be true of violence committed on camera by _Clinton_ supporters, of course. If any occurs.) And it’s just as certain that any Republican misdemeanor would be used by Democrats. Welcome to the world of nasty grown up politics. As for what Republicans will take from this footage of Sanders supporters? That Democrats are capable of voter suppression/fraud. Note that I said that’s what Republicans will take from the footage not that the allegations are necessarily true.\* - the allegations are probably true to some extent ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1449 "2016-05-22T21:46:11Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > And it’s just as certain that any Republican misdemeanor would be used by Democrats. Welcome to the world of nasty grown up politics. No claim was made that Democrats are above using footage that would reflect badly on Republicans. Therefore your remarks don’t seem relevant to the discussion, which concerned the question of harm being done by Sanders supporters to the prospects for electing a Democrat to the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1450 "2016-05-22T23:49:14Z")
The claim was made that Republicans will use any footage of misdemeanors at the Democratic Convention as sign that Democrats are evil or whatever. Pointing out that the Democrats are just as likely to do the same in reverse is exactly relevant. It shows you are pointing out the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1451 "2016-05-22T23:57:06Z")
It would have been nice to have had that be one-sided! ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1452 "2016-05-23T17:29:09Z")
Crybaby Sanders supporters filing a nuisance lawsuit to extend California’s voter registration deadline. > **[Bernie Sanders supporters sue to have California's voter registration...](https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-bernie-sanders-supporters-lawsuit-california-voter-confusion-20160522-snap-story.html)** > > A federal lawsuit alleging widespread confusion over California's presidential primary rules asks that voter registration be extended past Monday's deadline until the day of the state's primary election on June 7. Doesn’t this whining ever get old? Are the Bernie Bros going to throw chairs in the courtroom if they don’t get their way? It is time for some reform in the Democratic Party but it has nothing to do with the party chairperson. No more independents should be allowed to attempt to hijack the party. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1453 "2016-05-23T17:59:59Z")
The California Democratic Party has actually opened the primary to unaffiliated voters — and that’s _still_ not good enough for the Sanders brigade. This is the part that really pisses me off: > [@TFA](#): > > Simpich said a judge should require state elections officials to conduct a broad public awareness campaign about the voting rules before May 31, the deadline for requesting a ballot by mail. Translation: “The Sanders campaign is suing to compel state elections officials to educate Sanders voters on how to support their candidate, rather than leaving it to the voters to do it themselves.” Seriously, I went online in my state (Oregon) and figured out exactly what I needed to do to support my candidate in advance of election day. How hard is it? The combination of entitlement and venom (“We hate you, you corrupt Democratic Party! Now change your rules to accommodate us!”) is often stunning to behold. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1454 "2016-05-23T19:03:49Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > No more independents should be allowed to attempt to hijack the party. Bullshit. [Entryism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism) is a perfectly legitimate political tactic, a venerably **American** tactic with many precedents, and a tactic as old as any politics more complicated than “Do what the King says.” And no “independents” can “hijack the party” unless they exist in numbers of millions and are aroused – in which case it is suicide for the party to drive them out. Would it not have been suicide for the GOP to drive out the Tea Partiers? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1455 "2016-05-23T20:13:53Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > And vaccinations won’t protect them from tripping because their shoelace is untied. :rolleyes: I understand these people have legitimate concerns, but get a grip, will ya? “these people” ? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1456 "2016-05-23T21:32:10Z")
Sanders names Cornel West, Rep. Keith Ellison, Bill McKibben,James Zogby, and Deborah Parker as his platform representatives. Cornel West? Really? Whatever Bernie. Write as much progressive unicorn fantasies as you want into the platform. Just go away after you get your ass kicked in 2 weeks. > **[Sanders names Cornel West, Keith Ellison to DNC platform committee](https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280941-sanders-names-cornel-west-keith-ellison-to-platform/)** > > Sanders also chose pro-Palestinian James Zogby. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1457 "2016-05-23T22:30:11Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > The claim was made that Republicans will use any footage of misdemeanors at the Democratic Convention as sign that Democrats are evil or whatever. Pointing out that the Democrats are just as likely to do the same in reverse is exactly relevant. It shows you are pointing out the obvious. Nope. You’ve missed the point, which was that Sanders supporters were doing things that helped the GOP. And of course the implicit further point was that _maybe they should stop doing that_. It was nothing to do with any claims of the righteousness or nobility or likelihood to exploit events, of members of one party as compared with the other. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1458 "2016-05-23T22:34:06Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Cornel West? Really? [Cornel West](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West)? Sure, why not? He’s a good socialist and a respected academic and public intellectual. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1459 "2016-05-23T22:39:56Z")
> **[11 reasons why Bernie Sanders lost this thing fair and square](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/23/1529938/-11-reasons-why-Bernie-Sanders-lost-this-thing-fair-and-square)** > > Bernie Sanders exceeded all primary season expectations and was en route to building something of a real movement. But rather than locking in those gains and settling in for a long-haul effort, he’s opted for a legacy-busting temper tantrum... Over at\* Daily Kos\*, the editor/publisher/whatever, Markos, has posted an essay “11 reasons why Bernie Sanders lost this thing fair and square.” which is well worth a read. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1460 "2016-05-23T22:50:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > [11 reasons why Bernie Sanders lost this thing fair and square](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/23/1529938/-11-reasons-why-Bernie-Sanders-lost-this-thing-fair-and-square) > > Over at\* Daily Kos\*, the editor/publisher/whatever, Markos, has posted an essay “11 reasons why Bernie Sanders lost this thing fair and square.” which is well worth a read. That’s a great cite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=74)