# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1461 "2016-05-23T22:52:47Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > The combination of entitlement and venom (“We hate you, you corrupt Democratic Party! Now change your rules to accommodate us!”) is often stunning to behold. I imagine your Democratic forebears said much the same about Negroes demanding the franchise. I wonder if the Thomas Jefferson planter Democratic-Republicans felt the same about the small-landholder Democrats that followed Andrew Jackson. OK, fine, we get it! Despite the name, you’re really a more exclusive club that want, if not an aristocracy, to be your own special little in-group! You don’t want us to join you? Fine! Only not fine, because people are going to keep thinking the name means something open, and they’ll keep showing up. Between Trump supporters trying to drive ethnic minorities out of their rallies, and Clinton supporters whining that Bernie fans were let in, this is a really good year for a third party to challenge. Someone could just say, “Hey, I welcome everyone.” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1462 "2016-05-23T23:09:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > [11 reasons why Bernie Sanders lost this thing fair and square](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/23/1529938/-11-reasons-why-Bernie-Sanders-lost-this-thing-fair-and-square) > > Over at\* Daily Kos\*, the editor/publisher/whatever, Markos, has posted an essay “11 reasons why Bernie Sanders lost this thing fair and square.” which is well worth a read. Huh. I’m really surprised to see you post a link–so surprised that I read it–and, yes, it is worth reading. > [@](#): > > Democrats all over the country get to choose the nominee, and that includes African Americans in southern states, and Latinos in places like Arizona and Texas. And if you have a problem with that, fuck you. Can’t argue with that. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1463 "2016-05-23T23:17:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Cornel West](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West)? Sure, why not? He’s a good socialist and a respected academic and public intellectual. I have a soft spot for the guy, personally, he is a character that is a product of his times, which were interesting times indeed. But Cornell West is a buffoon. The stuff that comes out of his mouth is “duuuude” talk that emanated from the doobie passing circles of the 1970’s. [In Living Color had his brand of pseudo-intellectual blather down pretty well.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAguP-zY2AA) Edited to add: My brotha. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1464 "2016-05-24T01:25:35Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Cornel West](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West)? Sure, why not? He’s a good socialist and a respected academic and public intellectual. yes, a socialist, out of touch with America! And a BDS-supporting anti-Semite and race pimp too. Just what the Democratic party needs to get the vital American center.:smack: If Trump wins this elections, I will blame Bernie for not letting the Democrats be the centrist party they’re supposed to be. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1465 "2016-05-24T02:01:04Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I imagine your Democratic forebears said much the same about Negroes demanding the franchise. I wonder if the Thomas Jefferson planter Democratic-Republicans felt the same about the small-landholder Democrats that followed Andrew Jackson. > > OK, fine, we get it! Despite the name, you’re really a more exclusive club that want, if not an aristocracy, to be your own special little in-group! You don’t want us to join you? Fine! Only not fine, because people are going to keep thinking the name means something open, and they’ll keep showing up. > > Between Trump supporters trying to drive ethnic minorities out of their rallies, and Clinton supporters whining that Bernie fans were let in, this is a really good year for a third party to challenge. Someone could just say, “Hey, I welcome everyone.” I really don’t get what you’re talking about. Obama showed in 2008 that “Establishment” Hillary Clinton is beatable with a combination of the right candidate, the right message and the right organization. They didn’t need to whine about how the rules were stacked against them or talk out of both sides of their mouth by demanding an organization for whom they evince nothing but contempt should change its rules to give their outsider candidate a better shot at winning. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1466 "2016-05-24T02:05:10Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > yes, a socialist, out of touch with America! Sanders is a socialist. He’s been telling us all from Day One that he’s a socialist. That’s how he got this far. Why wouldn’t be pick a socialist to represent him? > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > And a BDS-supporting anti-Semite . . . :rolleyes: [BDS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions) is about as anti-Semitic as B’nai B’rith. You think you know better than **Bernie Sanders** what’s anti-Semitic?! > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > If Trump wins this elections, I will blame Bernie for not letting the Democrats be the centrist party they’re supposed to be. He won’t, and America needs a strong leftist party more than it needs anything else. Third-party bids don’t work here, what else is there for progressives to do but take over the Dems? All they’re really doing is trying to make Democratic politics something closer to what they were in FDR’s day. Down with neoliberalism! ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1467 "2016-05-24T02:12:13Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [BDS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions) is about as anti-Semitic as B’nai B’rith. You think you know better than **Bernie Sanders** what’s anti-Semitic?! What? Bernie himself even admitted that anti-semitism, at least [“is a factor”](http://www.jta.org/2016/03/22/news-opinion/politics/bernie-sanders-says-anti-semitism-is-a-factor-in-bds) in BDS. Also, given how he’s [consistently lost](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-live-updates-democr-sanders-fares-poorly-against-clinton-with-fellow-j-1460644902-htmlstory.html) [the Jewish vote](http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.715455) [to Hillary in this primary](http://www.jewishjournal.com/election2016/article/ny_poll_hillary_leads_sanders_60_38_among_jewish_voters), you cannot say or spin him to represent mainstream Jews. How dare you compare a movement that isolates Israel and maligns it by likening it to apartheid SA (a bad comparison if there ever was) to one that fights such hatred. Also, given that mainstream American Jews oppose the BDS movement and anti-Israel ideas, and also given how much the Jews have contributed, both votes and money to the Dem party and causes like civil rights over the years, progressives like you should show some gratitude. Bernie is a self-loather. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1468 "2016-05-24T02:15:03Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > But Cornell West is a buffoon. The stuff that comes out of his mouth is “duuuude” talk that emanated from the doobie passing circles of the 1970’s. > > [In Living Color had his brand of pseudo-intellectual blather down pretty well.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAguP-zY2AA) > > Edited to add: My brotha. Wow. That is such a full of shit description. You can disagree with Cornell all you like but comparing him to some made-up word spouting convict caricature is simply beyond the pale. In your “defense” I can only imagine you mixed him up with Don King. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1469 "2016-05-24T02:21:58Z")
Why is everyone still talking about Bernie? It’s over for Bernie. Bernie is the only one who doesn’t get it. Hillary’s campaign denied Sanders request for a debate in California. I totally agree with that. She will get enough out of California to put her over the top, and her money, efforts and time need to be focused on beating Trump. Bernie, turn out the lights, it’s over. Done, Finished. You’re just a footnote in history from this point on. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1470 "2016-05-24T02:31:42Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Why is everyone still talking about Bernie? Because this is the Bernie thread. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Bernie, turn out the lights, it’s over. Done, Finished. You’re just a footnote in history from this point on. No doubt they said that about Goldwater in 1964, but he started a movement that came to triumphant power in 1980. Og grant it won’t take the left-progressives nearly that long. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1471 "2016-05-24T02:35:28Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because this is the Bernie thread. > > No doubt they said that about Goldwater in 1964, but he started a movement that came to triumphant power in 1980. Og grant it won’t take the left-progressives nearly that long. Goldwater actually got his party’s nomination and some electoral votes. Bernie won’t get either. I’d say Bernie is more to the Democratic Party what Buchanan was to the 1996 GOP. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1472 "2016-05-24T02:41:49Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Goldwater actually got his party’s nomination and some electoral votes. Bernie won’t get either. I’d say Bernie is more to the Democratic Party what Buchanan was to the 1996 GOP. Buchanan never got nearly as close to the nomination as Bernie has – but, even so, his paleoconservative economic-nationalist proto-Tea-Party movement did eventually, after several iterations, become a real player in the GOP, and we might say by now has all but taken it over. No reason the progressives can’t do the same in the Dems. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1473 "2016-05-24T02:53:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Buchanan never got nearly as close to the nomination as Bernie has – but, even so, his paleoconservative economic-nationalist proto-Tea-Party movement did eventually, after several iterations, become a real player in the GOP, and we might say by now has all but taken it over. No reason the progressives can’t do the same in the Dems. And history will record Bernie as a loser, not a winner. He’ll be forgotten faster than last years snow. People won’t even look back. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1474 "2016-05-24T02:55:44Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > And history will record Bernie as a . . . . . . starter, not an ender. He’ll never be POTUS and it doesn’t matter; what matters is that the next POTUS after Clinton should resemble Sanders more than Clinton politically. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1475 "2016-05-24T03:03:53Z")
Don’t bet on it. The Dems’ will toss Bernie a few placating bones to settle his tribe down, then it’ll be business as usual. His ideas are too far from mainstream to gain much momentum in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1476 "2016-05-24T03:09:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > . . . starter, not an ender. … Actually read your first sentence and the image that came to my mind was a competitive athlete who know how to get out of the blocks fine but who just doesn’t know how to finish the race. In this case the “race” is actually promoting the agenda he claims to care about. He started out doing it fine but he is fumbling it badly as he passed the transition point. Mind you I _personally_ have thought his positions were poorly thought and fantastical from word go but he was indeed successful in moving the conversation to discussing his issues. Now? Really for a while now, issues are subsumed to serving his personal ego. Every day he fixates on how he’s only losing because the system is rigged and how bad Clinton is (and so on) is another day of further marginalizing whatever message he was sending. He may have had a chance to have built something with staying power but his ego has instead made his legacy into the picture associated with “sore loser” in future dictionaries. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1477 "2016-05-24T04:21:36Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > What? Bernie himself even admitted that anti-semitism, at least [“is a factor”](http://www.jta.org/2016/03/22/news-opinion/politics/bernie-sanders-says-anti-semitism-is-a-factor-in-bds) in BDS. You will also note Sanders does not support BDS. > [@](#): > > Also, given how he’s [consistently lost](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-live-updates-democr-sanders-fares-poorly-against-clinton-with-fellow-j-1460644902-htmlstory.html) [the Jewish vote](http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.715455) [to Hillary in this primary](http://www.jewishjournal.com/election2016/article/ny_poll_hillary_leads_sanders_60_38_among_jewish_voters), you cannot say or spin him to represent mainstream Jews. That’s because most Jews in America are upper middle-class and above, so like their fellow upper middle-class Americans of all ethnicities they are voting for their class interests by voting for Hillary Clinton. > [@](#): > > How dare you compare a movement that isolates Israel and maligns it by likening it to apartheid SA (a bad comparison if there ever was) to one that fights such hatred. I agree the comparison is moronic and here again I might note that Sanders is a committed Zionist. > [@](#): > > Also, given that mainstream American Jews oppose the BDS movement and anti-Israel ideas, and also given how much the Jews have contributed, both votes and money to the Dem party and causes like civil rights over the years, progressives like you should show some gratitude. Bernie is a self-loather. There is no such thing as gratitude in politics and if there was it should start with the likes of you being grateful for the billions of dollars of military aid the United States has given to Israel over the years. Jewish support for progressive causes were certainly far more an expression of self-interests then our support Tel Aviv. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Don’t bet on it. The Dems’ will toss Bernie a few placating bones to settle his tribe down, then it’ll be business as usual. His ideas are too far from mainstream to gain much momentum in the real world. Which of his proposals are “too far from mainstream”? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1478 "2016-05-24T04:32:32Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Which of his proposals are “too far from mainstream”? [Socialism.](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/poll-voters-socialist-atheist-catholic-119273) ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1479 "2016-05-24T04:38:44Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > You will also note Sanders does not support BDS Why is he putting two BDSers, Zogby and West, on the DNC platform committee?? [QUOTE=Qin Shi Huangdi] There is no such thing as gratitude in politics and if there was it should start with the likes of you being grateful for the billions of dollars of military aid the United States has given to Israel over the years. Jewish support for progressive causes were certainly far more an expression of self-interests then our support Tel Aviv. [/QUOTE] All Americans should be grateful for our relationship with Israel. [It has benefited the country as a whole immensely](http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/friends-with-benefits-why-the-u.s.-israeli-alliance-is-good-for-america). Also, even if there was some self-interests in Jewish support for progressive causes, there was also that among LGBT voters, black voters, you name it; should it be OK for the Dems to take them for granted too? Plus, Jews didn’t have to help blacks as they did; their case was nothing compared to the blacks, and they DID show a lot of genuine support for blacks during civil rights. Many risked their names and careers to help blacks. Notice Jewish voters also tend to vote for ballot propositions that have nothing to do with Jews. Ditto their relative economic liberalism (compared to gentile white rich people). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1480 "2016-05-24T04:46:14Z")
They are somewhat ineffective as political allies, simply because Jews hate to argue. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=75)