# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1521 "2016-05-28T23:57:54Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Bernie hasn’t won a diverse state yet and there’s no reason to think he’ll start now when he’s all but mathematically eliminated Is there a state more “diverse” than Hawaii? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1522 "2016-05-29T18:04:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Is there a state more “diverse” than Hawaii? Yeah, a caucus on a Saturday night of Easter Weekend is real diverse. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1523 "2016-05-29T19:13:23Z")
Hawaii is such a bogus canard for Sanders fans anyway, both a figurative and literal outlier. Fine, the one minority he does well with are native Hawaiians. That’ll help him. Sent from my SPH-L720T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1524 "2016-05-29T20:11:58Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Yeah, a caucus on a Saturday night of Easter Weekend is real diverse. Let me know when you’ve planted the goalposts in their permanent positions. Besides, diversity has little to do with things. The key is who does better in the swing states. Texas and NY are plenty diverse, but neither is particularly up for grabs. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1525 "2016-05-29T21:15:48Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Let me know when you’ve planted the goalposts in their permanent positions. > > Besides, diversity has little to do with things. The key is who does better in the swing states. Texas and NY are plenty diverse, but neither is particularly up for grabs. Like say Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1526 "2016-05-29T22:25:25Z")
Well also Virginia and North Carolina. (And give Sanders one - Colorado.) Hawaii though is interesting. It’s certainly non-White. But [its diversity is very different](http://aapidata.com/blog/hawaii-2016-caucus/) than the diversity of the rest of the country, “with very sizable populations of Asian Americans and Native Hawaiians and Pacific Islanders (who account for 56% and 26%, respectively, of the resident population)” Fewer Blacks than the United States overall. I’m not so positive that low White means diverse if the majority of voters are still of one ethnic group but clearly not the diversity that translates into what diversity looks like elsewhere in the country. Still Sanders did do well with the Asian American and Pacific Islander voting population and that may give him a bit of a nudge up in California [where](http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=255) Asians make up 12% of likely voters and Blacks only 6%. [Nationally for eligible voters](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/2016-electorate-will-be-the-most-diverse-in-u-s-history/) anyway it’s Asians 4%, Blacks and Hispanics each 12%. Another source to use is [538’s app](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/). Their prediction based on 1012 turnouts was the voting share of Blacks will be 13.3%, Hispanics 10.6%, and Asian/other 5.5% nationally. In Hawaii Blacks 1.5%, Hispanics 9.8%, and Asian/other 47.3%. Swing states like Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Pennsylvania, and NC all have that national average or less for Asian/other but all larger to substantially larger Black populations than the national average. (And to Sanders chances to do well in California, it is much less than the average for Blacks.) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1527 "2016-05-31T03:29:06Z")
It was really infuriating, though not a great surprise, [to hear on NPR](http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=479618571) about Hillary supporters who have felt bullied by “Bernie bros” into silence: > [@](#): > > HOLLY CHAMBERLIN: I don’t have the time and energy and mental toughness to have the whole conversation. > > KEITH: Featherstone says she’s had many conversations about Clinton where someone tells her she’s wrong. They start out talking about issues. > > LEIGH FEATHERSTONE: And then it would turn into “be honest: it’s just because she’s a woman, isn’t it?” You could have led with that. > > KEITH: For Winkler, it’s like all those times she’s felt second-guessed because of her gender. > > WINKLER: It feels like it’s because I’m a woman who, like, can’t properly formulate her own political views. And this other woman who’s running for president, like, you can’t actually be supporting this - right? - like this is a joke. > > KEITH: It took these friends a while to admit to each other that they support Clinton. When they finally did, there was sort of a bond in sharing an unpopular opinion. Here’s Winkler again. > > WINKLER: I’ve had many conversations with these ladies about how we feel about Hillary and how frustrating it can be feeling that way and not being able to express it because of the reaction you get from Bernie supporters and just anyone who doesn’t like her. > > KEITH: And with all the visible support for Clinton’s primary opponent - the rallies, the bumper stickers, all the social media - you could easily get the impression Clinton is losing badly. But she’s not. She’s gotten nearly 13 million votes, won more states and has a nearly insurmountable lead in delegates. Chamberlin says she sometimes feels like a bad Clinton supporter for not speaking up. > > CHAMBERLIN: So many people when Hillary is winning, voting contests are like “it must be rigged. I don’t know anyone who supports Hillary, not one single person. So there must be something going on. They must be wrong. They must be cheating, something like that.” And sometimes I’m like, “hey, I support Hillary Clinton, so you know one person”. But mostly I just don’t say anything. Obviously I, and some others on this board, are thicker-skinned and more aggressive, so we are willing to go to bat for her. But I think this dynamic is very common (my wife being about the age and temperament of the young women profiled here, and feeling the same way). It’s frustrating, even enraging. :mad: > [@dalej42](#): > > Let me explain something to you, so you’ll understand the difference. > > The Kentucky primary allocated delegates proportionally. Both Sanders and Clinton won 27 delegates each. Sanders finding a few extra votes doesn’t change the delegate allotment. > > The electoral college is winner take all by state. So, the 25 electoral votes of Florida would all go to Gore as long as he could find enough votes to win Florida by 1 vote. Exactly–and Gore only needed three of the 25 to win, while Bush needed 24 (or maybe 23, since he could have gotten the House to put him in if there had been a tie). > [@dalej42](#): > > You mean Barney Frank and I hope he lays into Sanders. Barney Frank hasn’t liked Bernie since Bernie first became a Representative. There’s a [quote] ([Michael-In-Norfolk - Coming Out in Mid-Life: Quote of the Day: Barney Frank on Bernie Sanders](http://michael-in-norfolk.blogspot.com/2016/05/quote-of-day-barney-frank-on-bernie.html)) going around sourced to Barney which would suggest that he has indeed laid into Bernie. I can’t find a legit source for the attribution, but even if Barney didn’t say it, it’s all true: > [@](#): > > The Democratic Party. The party that gave this country its first African-American President; the party that is poised to give this country its first woman nominee of a major party, very likely its first woman President; a party chaired by a Jewish woman; a party which features the first openly gay member of the United States Congress on the party’s rules committee; isn’t “progressive” enough, or inclusive enough, according to a 75 year old straight white male, who “white flighted” his way out of the most ethnically diverse city in the country, to the whitest state in the northeast United States, and who just passed his 1 year anniversary of declaring himself a member of the party, that he thinks that he is the only fit candidate to be the party’s nominee for President. A nomination which if he can’t secure it by the ballot, has threatened to secure it by lawsuits, and more than just hinted at violence. Am I getting this right? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1528 "2016-05-31T05:10:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > …Obviously I, and some others on this board, are thicker-skinned and more aggressive, so we are willing to go to bat for her. Yeah, that’s me. I have a couple of friends who are Bernie supporters, and they know better than to pull that shit with me. They’ll get an earful of strident sarcasm and debate that they know they can’t handle. [QUOTE] There’s a > [@](#): > > ([Michael-In-Norfolk - Coming Out in Mid-Life: Quote of the Day: Barney Frank on Bernie Sanders](http://michael-in-norfolk.blogspot.com/2016/05/quote-of-day-barney-frank-on-bernie.html)) going around sourced to Barney which would suggest that he has indeed laid into Bernie. I can’t find a legit source for the attribution, but even if Barney didn’t say it, it’s all true: > > > [@](#): > > > > The Democratic Party. The party that gave this country its first African-American President; the party that is poised to give this country its first woman nominee of a major party, very likely its first woman President; a party chaired by a Jewish woman; a party which features the first openly gay member of the United States Congress on the party’s rules committee; isn’t “progressive” enough, or inclusive enough, according to a 75 year old straight white male, who “white flighted” his way out of the most ethnically diverse city in the country, to the whitest state in the northeast United States, and who just passed his 1 year anniversary of declaring himself a member of the party, that he thinks that he is the only fit candidate to be the party’s nominee for President. A nomination which if he can’t secure it by the ballot, has threatened to secure it by lawsuits, and more than just hinted at violence. Am I getting this right? Wish I’d been there…I’d be cheering and laughing. I didn’t like Barney all that much when he was in office, but since he left he’s really growing on me. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1529 "2016-05-31T05:15:40Z")
What didn’t you like when he was in office? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1530 "2016-05-31T05:43:56Z")
Mostly it was the way he and a lot of the Dems acted during the Lewinsky thing. Him, Feinstein, Boxer, Schumer, and a bunch of others standing and baldfaced lying to the cameras, and you knew it as they were saying it. I get that they were friendly with Bubba and they had a stake in it, they thought they were defending him. But it just rubbed me entirely the wrong way. It was the classic sleazy politician stereotype. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1531 "2016-05-31T07:00:17Z")
[quote=“SlackerInc, post:1527, topic:718754”] There’s a > [@](#): > > ([Michael-In-Norfolk - Coming Out in Mid-Life: Quote of the Day: Barney Frank on Bernie Sanders](http://michael-in-norfolk.blogspot.com/2016/05/quote-of-day-barney-frank-on-bernie.html)) going around sourced to Barney which would suggest that he has indeed laid into Bernie. I can’t find a legit source for the attribution, but even if Barney didn’t say it, it’s all true: I’m finding a lot of claims (ok 2, here is [one](http://www.kennethinthe212.com/2016/05/why-bernie-conspiracies-dont-amount-to.html)) that Barney didn’t say it. And frankly it sounds a little off. Frank is sharper and wittier to be honest. But it’s not a bad quote. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1532 "2016-05-31T08:25:07Z")
Yeah, I definitely had my doubts, which is why I added those caveats. But if Barney has issued any kind of statement, or even a tweet, shooting the whole thing down, I’ve missed it. Which suggests to me that if he or his people have heard about it, they are like “well, it’s not from us…but it’s not _wrong_”. ---
**Author:** ![Pylesos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc348/32.png) [@Pylesos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pylesos)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1533 "2016-05-31T10:05:42Z")
Just watched Bernie’s rally in CA. His head is literally PURPLE. What is wrong with the guy? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1534 "2016-05-31T10:15:45Z")
Can you imagine if he stroked out? Wouldn’t be shocking actuarily for a 75 year old guy under this much stress. But there would be so many Bernheads freaking out and accusing Hillary of pulling “another Vince Foster”. :eyeroll: ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1535 "2016-05-31T11:51:54Z")
Bernie shamelessly pandering to California voters by comparing himself with the Golden State Warriors. Guess he doesn’t realize that the Warriors won not because of ‘momentum’ or ‘enthusiasm’ but because they scored the most points in the 4 games they won. > **[Sanders: Warriors win 'very good omen' for campaign | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/politics/bernie-sanders-warriors-win/index.html)** > > As if protestors jumping the barricade at his rally in Oakland, California, wasn't exciting enough, Bernie Sanders added to the adrenaline rush Monday by sneaking the last half of the Golden State Warriors' 96-88 comeback victory into his schedule. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1536 "2016-05-31T12:10:39Z")
Ha! Well played, **dale**. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1537 "2016-06-01T17:31:17Z")
Lengthy Rolling Stone interview with Bernie Sanders: > **[Bernie Sanders Fights On: The Rolling Stone Interview](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-fights-on-the-rolling-stone-interview-61639/5/)** > > A defiant candidate on what he’s trying to achieve Bernie shows that’s he’s absolutely clueless about how to accomplish his ‘revolution.’ When asked how he gets his ideas passed: “How do you do it? It’s a good question and the truth is, right now I’m a bit busy running for president to have figured that out, other than to tell you it requires a mass-based political effort bringing millions of people together.” This idiot has been in congress for over 25 years and hasn’t even the slightest idea how a president works with congress? June 7 can’t get here soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1538 "2016-06-01T18:04:10Z")
He wants a revolution. President and Congress? That’s just more of the same ol’, same ol’. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1539 "2016-06-01T19:00:46Z")
I beg to differ. The tools for a revolutionary change are at hand, they are the same tools of our oppression. The Republican Party is an enemy, the Apathy Party is far worse. Bernie has done stirred folks up and that is a damn good thing, sorely needed. I say well done, good and faithful servant! Rest now. We’ll take it from here, and you can come with us, rather than us follow you. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/1540 "2016-06-01T19:15:43Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Bernie shows that’s he’s absolutely clueless about how to accomplish his ‘revolution.’ > > When asked how he gets his ideas passed: > > “How do you do it? It’s a good question and the truth is, right now I’m a bit busy running for president to have figured that out, other than to tell you it requires a mass-based political effort bringing millions of people together.” Well, he goes on to say that his plan to get stuff through a Republican House is to rally millions of people to demand that Congress pass the things he wants passed. This isn’t intrinsically a bad idea, but it’s overly simplistic in that those Republican Congresspersons don’t care what millions of Bernie Sanders supporters think about anything. And their political careers involve not giving a Democratic president anything they want. It’s a pretty screwed up situation, but it’s not going to change until people start losing primaries because of it - until then they’ve got a pretty good argument that they’re reflecting what their constituents want. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=78)