# 2016 Bernie Sanders (D-VT) campaign for POTUS thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 28, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754 "2015-04-28T22:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/141 "2015-06-05T14:12:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think it’s more because Sanders isn’t running to win. He’s being careful not to hurt Clinton, which demonstrates that he is actually just trying to move her to the left. Such a gambit does not deserve much news coverage. **Of course** a gambit to move Clinton to the left deserves a **lot** of news coverage. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/142 "2015-06-11T14:32:22Z")
[De Blasio Says He’s a Bernie Sanders Fan, Will Skip HRC Kickoff.](http://jpupdates.com/2015/06/10/de-blasio-says-hes-a-bernie-sanders-fan-will-skip-hrc-kickoff/) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/143 "2015-06-11T18:28:00Z")
[Sanders says the U.S. should catch up with the rest of the industrialized nations in paid family leave and medical leave.](http://www.salon.com/2015/06/11/bernie_sanders_masterfully_trolls_the_gop_2016_hopeful_unveils_a_real_family_values_agenda/) > [@](#): > > Accordingly, the democratic socialist introduced the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act, legislation that would ensure 10 days of paid vacation annually for employees who have been with the same employer for at least a year. Other elements of Sanders’ “family values agenda” include 12 weeks of paid parental leave and at least seven paid sick days a year. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/144 "2015-06-16T11:08:45Z")
Sanders is closing in on Clinton in NH: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new\_hampshire\_democratic\_presidential\_primary-3351.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html) He’s up to 32% to Clinton’s 44%. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/145 "2015-06-18T06:15:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sanders is closing in on Clinton in NH: > > [RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Hampshire 2016 Democratic Primary](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html) > > He’s up to 32% to Clinton’s 44%. This pleases me. But I wonder how much of that is geography. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/146 "2015-06-18T14:08:55Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > This pleases me. But I wonder how much of that is geography. New Hampshire ain’t too liberal, is it? That’s how you can tell it from Vermont. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/147 "2015-06-18T14:15:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > New Hampshire ain’t too liberal, is it? That’s how you can tell it from Vermont. The New Hampshire GOP is currently at war with Fox News, and by extension the GOP itself over the first debate. Possibly affecting poll results? I dunno. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/148 "2015-06-18T15:08:49Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > New Hampshire ain’t too liberal, is it? That’s how you can tell it from Vermont. Dunno but at least they know who he is. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/149 "2015-06-18T15:13:08Z")
Southern NH is not conservative anymore, since it became just suburban Boston. That’s been enough to carry the state lately. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/150 "2015-06-18T15:22:10Z")
I’m calling it now: Sanders wins NH, race thrown into turmoil, a big name candidate jumps in to “save the party”. Probably Liz Warren. The clamor for a viable Clinton alternative will be overwhelming at that point. Sanders can’t pull it off, but if he can win an early state against Clinton it shows that Clinton can’t either. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/151 "2015-06-18T15:52:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m calling it now: Sanders wins NH, race thrown into turmoil, a big name candidate jumps in to “save the party”. Probably Liz Warren. The clamor for a viable Clinton alternative will be overwhelming at that point. Sanders can’t pull it off, but if he can win an early state against Clinton it shows that Clinton can’t either. Someone save this! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/152 "2015-06-18T16:05:18Z")
LOL. As if anyone will let me forget. Unless I get it right. Besides, I suspect that’s an outcome that would appeal to more liberal Dopers than not. They just don’t dare to dream like I do. But seriously, if Clinton was to lose NH, and I’m willing to firmly call that one right now, 100%, because there’s just no way Sanders’ name recognition is anywhere near Clinton’s and he’s trailing her by only 12% or so. He will continue to gain and she will continue to lose in NH. That will damage her because the expectation is that this is a coronation. And the only reason strong candidates are staying out is because they don’t think they can compete with her. After an early primary loss, that changes the calculation drastically. ESPECIALLY since she beat Obama in NH. There is just no way in a million years she should be losing that state given that she beat a much stronger candidate there in 2008. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/153 "2015-06-18T16:08:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > LOL. As if anyone will let me forget. Unless I get it right. > > Besides, I suspect that’s an outcome that would appeal to more liberal Dopers than not. They just don’t dare to dream like I do. > > But seriously, if Clinton was to lose NH, and I’m willing to firmly call that one right now, 100%, because there’s just no way Sanders’ name recognition is anywhere near Clinton’s and he’s trailing her by only 12% or so. He will continue to gain and she will continue to lose in NH. That will damage her because the expectation is that this is a coronation. And the only reason strong candidates are staying out is because they don’t think they can compete with her. After an early primary loss, that changes the calculation drastically. ESPECIALLY since she beat Obama in NH. There is just no way in a million years she should be losing that state given that she beat a much stronger candidate there in 2008. I like your confidence, but I don’t share it at all. But we’ll see. I’m glad Bernie is doing well, and I may even vote for him. But so far I’m pleased with Hillary’s rhetoric as well. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/154 "2015-06-18T16:09:41Z")
If you weren’t, then she’d have no chance at all. Anyone can say stuff. You do know that she will support TPP once elected, right? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/155 "2015-06-18T16:12:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If you weren’t, then she’d have no chance at all. Anyone can say stuff. You do know that she will support TPP once elected, right? Very possibly. I haven’t made up my mind on TPP either. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/156 "2015-06-18T16:14:20Z")
Doesn’t really matter. Sanders is serious about not supporting it, but not mainstream candidate for President is going to go protectionist. If they tell you they are, they are lying. Which was my point about taking rhetoric seriously. Campaign rhetoric is not governing priorities. Never has been, never will be. Especially not for a Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/157 "2015-06-18T16:16:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If you weren’t, then she’d have no chance at all. Anyone can say stuff. You do know that she will support TPP once elected, right? I agree with this. She’s punting at the moment because Bernie’s getting lots of approving noises from the progressives for opposing it, and Hilary doesn’t want to piss off the progressives and boost Bernie’s surge by supporting it. Eventually, though, she will. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/158 "2015-06-18T16:17:35Z")
But if **adaher** ’s theory is correct, she could just announce that she opposes it and get all the progressive cred and then do something else in office. Right? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/159 "2015-06-18T16:20:48Z")
She’s trying to be believable. She’s urging the President to get the best deal he can, one that protects workers and the environment and she hasn’t read it so she can’t give a definitive answer yet. I’ll give her team credit, that’s not terrible politics. But those of us who actually follow this stuff know she supports TPP, and she’ll take a deal that’s less than what she’s calling for if she has to. And she might have a real point. I think she’s probably a much better negotiator than Obama is, so she might be frustrated with his negotiating and unwilling to support him unconditionally precisely because she thinks she can do better. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754/160 "2015-06-18T16:23:57Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > But if **adaher** ’s theory is correct, she could just announce that she opposes it and get all the progressive cred and then do something else in office. Right? That’s correct, but she would prefer to hem and haw and not take a firm position at all (last I heard that’s what she’s doing right now), rather than making some kind of vow she’ll break later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2016-bernie-sanders-d-vt-campaign-for-potus-thread/718754.md?page=9)