# 2017 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 11, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278 "2017-04-11T23:57:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/322 "2017-05-30T17:22:49Z")
**KayT** , where do you draw the line? “Well, he was just an inch offside this time, so we’ll let it go.” “Well, this was more like two inches, but we allowed that last one, so…” “OK, he was offside by a foot, but that was 2 minutes ago, so we’ll let this one slide.” I mean, a rule has to be a rule. They should never have brought in the video review for offside in the first place, but now that it’s here, they have to apply it fairly and consistently. Besides you have to burn your one and only timeout per game to call a challenge like this. It’s not really that time consuming: apart from last night! ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/323 "2017-05-30T17:42:42Z")
It’s not a matter of being offside or not. It’s a matter of allowing a challenge of a goal. Personally I don’t think that challenge should be permitted, because very often (usually?) the challenge is of a goal that was scored quite a long time after the offsides, by a different player, after some passing, and which in no way assisted the goal to be scored. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/324 "2017-05-30T18:11:08Z")
OK, well we’ll just eliminate offside entirely then and introduce cherry picking. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/325 "2017-05-30T20:59:32Z")
I still call BS. All through the playoffs they have made an issue of whether the skate was on the ice when the puck crossed the line. From those replays it was impossible to tell. I seriously doubt that Toronto has their own cameras with higher definition. Everyone is seeing the same thing. The only thing Toronto has to offer is an explanation of the rule and input into who they want to win. The call of a goal was made on the ice by the refs. There was no irrefutable evidence to overturn the call. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/326 "2017-05-30T21:25:58Z")
Well, that’s nice, but you’re wrong. I’m on my phone now but if you look at the NHL web site, under something like “Coaches Challenge” you’ll see that the correct call was made. Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/327 "2017-05-30T23:25:30Z")
Are you sure you’re not on the National HahaULoseSucka League home page. I went to the [NHL.com](http://NHL.com) page, hit search and typed in “coaches challenge”. Nothing of any relevance came up. Puck Daddy, a highly regarded hockey blog seemed to think the call was incorrect. > [@](#): > > The replay of the Forsberg play was parsed by the hockey world on Monday night, and many found it inconclusive. > > “The skate looks like it’s on the ice, the toe is there, but the puck is not inside the zone. It has to be completely in,” said Ed Olczyk, NBC analyst, on the League’s American rights-holder network. “It looks like the skate is on the ice there. If his toe is on the ice before the puck crosses the line, it’s onside.” > > But the play was determined to be offside. > > The coach’s challenge for offside is beyond problematic. Yes, there are cameras on the bluelines that have given these reviews a modicum of clarity, but they aren’t at ice level and don’t have enough definition at long distances. So a play like the Forsberg one is muddled due to perspective. “inconclusive” means it should not be overruled. ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/328 "2017-05-31T00:04:24Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > OK, well we’ll just eliminate offside entirely then and introduce cherry picking. :rolleyes: Not sure how you arrived at this from what I said or were you not “talking” to me? Because that’s not what I said. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/329 "2017-05-31T13:00:22Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Overturning that goal was total BS. The announcers tell us that the refs are seeing the same replays that the TV audience sees. I’m watching on a 48" HD screen and it was too blurry to make a definitive determination as to whether the skate blade was on the ice when the puck crossed the blue line. The refs are looking at a pad. > > The call on the ice shouldn’t be overturned unless there is definitive evidence. The call on the ice should have stood. Look, this is the end of the argument right here. If it takes three or four goddamn minutes to re-examine the replay, it’s not definitively obvious the play was offside. And it wasn’t. If it was CLEAR that he was offside, the the rules say you call the play back. I’d adjust the rules if I was king of hockey to not allow challenges of goals scored on plays where the offside didn’t affect the likelihood of a goal - but that is a different issue, and right now the rules are what they are. Even if it was clear he was offside by one inch, he’s offside; the rule is that it is. But it was NOT clear. So it shouldn’t have been overturned. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/330 "2017-05-31T22:55:38Z")
It was offside. Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/331 "2017-06-01T00:26:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, there are cameras on the bluelines that have given these reviews a modicum of clarity, but they aren’t at ice level and don’t have enough definition at long distances. Then install 4 high def ice level offside cameras (embedded in the boards). Yes, they could still be blocked by those on the ice, but that would be a step in the right direction. Precedent in the tennis world (with their high speed high def replay cameras). ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/332 "2017-06-04T02:42:50Z")
> **[Nashville Predators 'Section 303' Chants](https://forum.canucks.com/topic/352067-nashville-predators-section-303-chants/)** > > So the Preds have their own group of fans who have dubbed themselves 'Section 303'. Here are some very creative chants they've written: When Paul’s announcing the visiting team’s starting lineup: (Player’s name) – SUCKS! (Player’s name) – SUCKS!... In case your wondering what Nashville fans are chanting. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/333 "2017-06-04T03:56:02Z")
A smack-down of the Penguins! Just what the Preds needed. Nashville is totally rocking. Not bad for a city where it was said that an NHL franchise couldn’t survive. They could have filled Nissan Stadium. Due to a series of unpredictable consequences I have a ticket for Monday night. It should be amazing! Can’t wait. Now, the big question for Game 5. Who will sing the national anthem? I have a close friend who is totally into country music. The prediction is Reba McIntyre. Does Vegas have a line on this? ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/334 "2017-06-04T04:00:22Z")
I meant Game 4. Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/335 "2017-06-04T16:24:27Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > A smack-down of the Penguins! Just what the Preds needed. Nashville is totally rocking. Not bad for a city where it was said that an NHL franchise couldn’t survive. They could have filled Nissan Stadium. > > Due to a series of unpredictable consequences I have a ticket for Monday night. It should be amazing! Can’t wait. > > Now, the big question for Game 5. Who will sing the national anthem? I have a close friend who is totally into country music. The prediction is Reba McIntyre. Does Vegas have a line on this? It’s pretty bad when Alan Jackson can’t get in to sing the national anthem, so he does a free concert outside. I’m thinking maybe Dolly would be cool. Hank Jr. was 7th Man last night, so it won’t be him. StG ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/336 "2017-06-05T01:21:25Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Due to a series of unpredictable consequences I have a ticket for Monday night. It should be amazing! Can’t wait. > > Now, the big question for Game 5. Who will sing the national anthem? I have a close friend who is totally into country music. The prediction is Reba McIntyre. Does Vegas have a line on this? Wow lucky duck to check it out. Will look for the “R.P. McMurphy says hi to the Dope!” sign. Predicting Susan Boyle will sing the anthem. Roseanne Barr? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/337 "2017-06-05T02:49:20Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > [http://forum.canucks.com/topic/352067-nashville-predators-section-303-chants/](http://forum.canucks.com/topic/352067-nashville-predators-section-303-chants/) > > In case your wondering what Nashville fans are chanting. Also, when the announcer says “One minute left in the period”, the crowd chants in unison “Thanks, Paul”. I think it’s the coolest chant I’ve ever heard, even moreso than Liverpool’s “Never Walk Alone”😛 or West Ham’s “I’m Forever Blowing Bubbles”:p, despite the total apples/oranges:p comparison. I’ll be surprised if Murray lets in more than two goals tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/338 "2017-06-05T18:59:03Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I think that was Joel Ward. > > Subban’s a very outgoing, very enthusiastic, life of the party kind of guy. He’s the type who’d be right in the thick of things, goofing off and being the center of attention. And yes, some of it’s because he’s black. > > SOME of the shit he gets is deserved, however. He’s definitely a pest, he takes cheap shots and can be somewhat dirty. He’s no Matt Cooke, but he’s not going to win the Lady Byng any time soon. Now, as a Bruins fan, I may be biased, but I did watch him a lot, and I agree with this. Especially his first few years, he was an expert at giving the extra push, stick-poke, I’m-not-tripping-you-but-my-foot-got-underneath-you-and-you-fell-over crap, and then insta-diving on any response, usually drawing a penalty. The last couple years in Montreal, it seemed like the referees thankfully got wise to that act and he drew a lot fewer calls. So, yeah, I’m all for being exuberant, and all for more under-represented types of any kind in hockey, but don’t like cheap shots getting rewarded. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/339 "2017-06-06T05:29:23Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > I’ll be surprised if Murray lets in more than two goals tomorrow. So were you surprised? 😛 Good job, Predators! ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/340 "2017-06-06T06:00:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So were you surprised? > > 😛 > > Good job, Predators! 😛 Indeed - colour me Steven Gutenberg (who I always thought had an annoying expression of incredulity in most of his roles) ::self-consciously checks breath in palm of hand:: Guentzel had a slew of scoring chances in the first two periods. That was cool hearing Matt “Mr. Composure” Murray yelling “What the fuck was that?” at the ref when players collided with him near the end of the game. (Colour announcer Craig Simpson: Not sure if folks could hear him at home. Play-by-play announcer Jim Hughson: And he wasn’t too polite at that!) Crosby’s goal was classy. “Sudden death in hockey in the most exciting thing in sports, plain and simple.” - Charles Barkley, to Scott Oake in second intermission. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278/341 "2017-06-06T06:37:15Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > 😛 > Indeed - colour me Steven Gutenberg (who I always thought had an annoying expression of incredulity in most of his roles) > > ::self-consciously checks breath in palm of hand:: Better than Andrew McCarthy’s restrained plaintive confusion, eh. > [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > “Sudden death in hockey in the most exciting thing in sports, plain and simple.” > > - Charles Barkley, to Scott Oake in second intermission. [The AP had a whole story on Chuck and his love of the game](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HKN_STANLEY_CUP_BARKLEY_PAOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-06-00-33-57) (which apparently goes all the way back the the WHA Birmingham Bulls of the '70s! ([a team recently revived, btw](http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/04/birmingham_bulls_hockey_team_g.html); I bet this mention in the AP story gets them at least 1 jersey sale (yes, because I’m gonna buy one!))). If I spot him at a game here in Las Vegas, you can bet I’ll say ‘howdy’; Sir Charles totally fucking rocks! > [@Charles Barkley](#): > > There’s nothing more nerve-wracking than Stanley Cup overtime hockey. It’s the craziest thing you’re ever going to see, so that’s one reason I just love the sport. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2017-stanley-cup-playoffs-thread/784278.md?page=18)