# 2018 Election Day Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 6, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079 "2018-11-06T15:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/702 "2018-11-21T00:14:40Z")
UT-4 is the district for Hurricane Ditka who has not been here since election day. Guess he’s in mourning. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/703 "2018-11-21T00:30:07Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > UT-4 is the district for Hurricane Ditka who has not been here since election day. Guess he’s in mourning. Shhh… don’t say his name two more times. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/704 "2018-11-21T01:02:57Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > UT-4 is the district for Hurricane Ditka who has not been here since election day. Guess he’s in mourning. > [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Shhh… don’t say his name two more times. Too late. Once was all it took. And yes, I mourn the defeat of the black woman Mia Love at the hands of the evil white male, Ben McAdams. Official canvassing is tomorrow, but it looks likely that McAdams won in a squeaker. Shame. I wasn’t actively posting because I’ve been traveling out of the country. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I’m back now. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/705 "2018-11-21T01:12:12Z")
Trump is doing a great job of turning formerly very red districts to blue. Another example is in OK where they just got their first Dem congress person in decades. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/706 "2018-11-21T01:43:40Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Trump is doing a great job of turning formerly very red districts to blue. Another example is in OK where they just got their first Dem congress person in decades. UT-4 has not been “very red” ever since it was formed. Democrat Jim Matheson won the district in 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/707 "2018-11-21T01:48:04Z")
Surprised to see they had a Dem in Congress so recently. I know SLC is very blue area and the 4th district covers part of SLC. But my main point stands - Trump is driving voters in suburbs to the Dems. And yes I know the GOP picked up Senate seats . ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/708 "2018-11-21T02:29:24Z")
[A deep dive into the CA-21 numbers.](https://gvwire.com/2018/11/20/valadaos-lead-is-razor-thin-a-deep-dive-into-remaining-ballots/) We probably won’t know the winner until at least next Monday. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/709 "2018-11-21T02:33:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > UT-4 has not been “very red” ever since it was formed. Democrat Jim Matheson won the district in 2012. It’s got a [Cook PVI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Partisan_Voting_Index) of R+13. That’s pretty damn red. Unless I’m mistaken, it’ll be the reddest district represented by a Democrat in the new Congress, and that includes the districts in OK and SC won by Dems, which are both R+10. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/710 "2018-11-21T05:42:17Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > It’s got a [Cook PVI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Partisan_Voting_Index) of R+13. That’s pretty damn red. > > Unless I’m mistaken, it’ll be the reddest district represented by a Democrat in the new Congress, and that includes the districts in OK and SC won by Dems, which are both R+10. Respectfully, I think the Cook PVI is rather skewed with respect to Utah as a whole. IIUC, the Cook PVI is calculated on the share of the votes in the last two presidential elections. Both of those were a bit odd for Utah. In 2012, Mitt Romney was on the ballot. He’s basically a folk hero in Utah, and won a whopping 73% of the vote. For comparison, McCain only won 63% in 2008. In 2016, Utah featured another Mormon, Evan McMullin, running as an independent. He won 22% of the vote and nearly edged out HRC for second place. In spite of the district’s PVI, here have been the results since the district was created: 2012: 49.3% D vs 48.1% R 2014: 46.8% D vs 50.0% R 2016: 41% D vs 54% R 2018: 50.1% D vs 49.9% R In only one year has the congressional margin of victory been more than a few points. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/711 "2018-11-21T12:58:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And yes, I mourn the defeat of the black woman Mia Love at the hands of the evil white male, Ben McAdams. Why do you think McAdams is evil? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/712 "2018-11-21T14:39:48Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And yes, I mourn the defeat of the black woman Mia Love at the hands of the evil white male, Ben McAdams. Cheer up; Mississippi could get a black (albeit male) senator next week. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/713 "2018-11-21T15:09:56Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Cheer up; Mississippi could get a black (albeit male) senator next week. That seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/714 "2018-11-21T15:11:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That seems unlikely. I anticipate either your mourning his likely loss, or else admitting that your earlier attempt at–satire?–was uberlame. Nah, just kidding! ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/715 "2018-11-21T15:12:09Z")
These days except in rare cases , Dems only win statewide races in the deep south if the R candidate is a pedophile. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/716 "2018-11-21T15:16:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Why do you think McAdams is evil? It was mostly poking fun at the current trend among SJW’s to assume that white males are bad. I don’t think he’s particularly sinister, but I disagree with many of his preferred policies. He lied to my personally once, which I did not like. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/717 "2018-11-21T15:25:01Z")
as the old saying goes, how do you know a politician is lying? His/her lips are moving. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/718 "2018-11-21T16:57:36Z")
Trump is actually quite fluent in American Sign language, but with those teeny tiny little hands… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/719 "2018-11-21T17:25:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It was mostly poking fun at the current trend among SJW’s to assume that white males are bad. I suppose that’s true if you’re tautologically defining “SJWs” as “people who assume white males are bad”. In reality, of course, those people who really make such assumptions are an infinitesimal fraction of the voting public, even amongst Democrats, and I doubt they were a significant factor in the Utah elections. Heck, they even vote for white males from time to time. One could make a much stronger argument that Republicans tend assume anyone who **isn’t** a white male is bad, [particularly when one looks at who they vote for](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/14/congress-diversity-democrats-republicans-photo#img-3). > [@](#): > > I don’t think he’s particularly sinister, but I disagree with many of his preferred policies. He lied to my personally once, which I did not like. Well, I know how that feels. I once met a local MP who immediately revealed himself to be a gladhanding prick. Definitely not voting for him. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/720 "2018-11-21T19:02:02Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > He lied to my personally once, which I did not like. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Well, I know how that feels. I once met a local MP who immediately revealed himself to be a gladhanding prick. Definitely not voting for him. I, too, know how that feels. There was a President who lied to me almost daily, which I didn’t like. I didn’t vote for him and never will. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079/721 "2018-11-21T20:45:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It was mostly poking fun at the current trend among SJW’s to assume that white males are bad. If that was what a conservative thinks of as poking fun, it helps explain why there aren’t any good conservative comics. But it does make me wonder how one might poke fun at the current trend among conservatives to assume that all SJWs assume that white males are bad. Good Lord, you folks have managed to swallow your own propaganda whole. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2018-election-day-thread/824079.md?page=37)