# 2020 Democratic candidates that should drop out **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 28, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662 "2019-05-28T17:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/21 "2019-05-29T15:16:12Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > My fault. My list didn’t have DeBlasio, but I just dropped the ball on Buttigieg and Bullock. Wait, wait, wait–you can’t rattle off the names of every single Democratic candidate from memory? What kind of conscientious and patriotic American citizen are you, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/22 "2019-05-29T15:17:00Z")
> [@MortSahlFan](#): > > Everyone but Sanders, Warren, and Gabbard. I want Sanders to win, with one of the others as the VP. I won’t vote for anyone else (so you can blame the 2020 results on ME) > > I see a repeat of 2016 - the DNC will pick a right-winger to lose against Trump. Luckily, the DNC can’t actually pick the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/23 "2019-05-29T15:20:25Z")
Wait, **MortSahlFan** , you don’t want a right-winger, and two of your top three choices are Sanders and Warren… but your third choice is the most right-wing candidate in the lot? I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/24 "2019-05-29T15:58:49Z")
Let Biden and Bernie slug it out. Gabbard should stay in to force foreign policy into the discussion. Yang should have a constituency. Everyone else has no purpose in my opinion. Blank-faced pols. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/25 "2019-05-29T16:00:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, **MortSahlFan** , you don’t want a right-winger, and two of your top three choices are Sanders and Warren… but your third choice is the most right-wing candidate in the lot? I don’t get it. Which of Gabbard’s positions or characteristics make her right-wing? Her measured demeanor and composure? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/26 "2019-05-29T16:03:19Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Which of Gabbard’s positions or characteristics make her right-wing? Her measured demeanor and composure? Her hawkish rhetoric and advocacy, especially regarding Iran. [Yes, Tulsi Gabbard Opposed the Iran Deal](https://jacobinmag.com/2019/01/yes-tulsi-gabbard-iran-deal-war-hawk) ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/27 "2019-05-29T16:42:45Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, **MortSahlFan** , you don’t want a right-winger, and two of your top three choices are Sanders and Warren… but your third choice is the most right-wing candidate in the lot? I don’t get it. With the possible exception of Gabbard, any candidate the Democrats nominate this cycle will be in favor of LBGTQ rights, will be in favor of a much more equitable tax structure than the Republicans are, will work to safeguard voting rights, will do the same with reproductive rights, will work to extend the government’s role in health care, will work to remove many of the barriers to immigration, will be in favor of reversing climate change and protecting the environment, and will nominate judges who will generally support these things. All very right-wing principles. I wonder what it is about those things that \*\*MortSahlFan \*\*finds so objectionable? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/28 "2019-05-29T16:48:17Z")
I see lots of Biden fans here , at least so far. Can’t understand that. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/29 "2019-05-29T16:56:14Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I see lots of Biden fans here , at least so far. Can’t understand that. Experienced, moderate, perceived as best chance to beat Trump. Not my first (or second) choice, but acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/30 "2019-05-29T17:13:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Her hawkish rhetoric and advocacy, especially regarding Iran. [Yes, Tulsi Gabbard Opposed the Iran Deal](https://jacobinmag.com/2019/01/yes-tulsi-gabbard-iran-deal-war-hawk) Hmm. So Harris is the most hawkish and right-wing of all candidates. I look forward to your further education on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/31 "2019-05-29T17:14:42Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Hmm. So Harris is the most hawkish of all candidates. I look forward to your further education on the matter. Assuming you misspoke and mean Gabbard, then yes, she is the most hawkish, by my reading. And I’m not sure if it’s even close, when it comes to the last 5 years or so. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/32 "2019-05-29T17:16:05Z")
Gabbard was beloved by progressives until she met with Assad, who just had to go according to the Wilsonian hawks. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/33 "2019-05-29T17:18:05Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Gabbard was beloved by progressives until she met with Assad, who just had to go according to the Wilsonian hawks. Somehow I remain unconvinced by your supposed mind-reading of progressives. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/34 "2019-05-29T17:23:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Assuming you misspoke and mean Gabbard, then yes, she is the most hawkish, by my reading. And I’m not sure if it’s even close, when it comes to the last 5 years or so. Yeah when you are searching for items to disqualify Gabbard, they are easy to find. Much easier for Harris. Since Gabbard is an antiwar stalwart who makes courageous stands against war and meets with and confronts dictators I tend to take a pragmatic approach. Harris’ claim to fame is literally mass incarceration and she makes no antiwar statements of any kind. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/35 "2019-05-29T17:28:49Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yeah when you are searching for items to disqualify Gabbard, they are easy to find. Much easier for Harris. Since Gabbard is an antiwar stalwart who makes courageous stands against war and meets with and confronts dictators I tend to take a pragmatic approach. > > Harris’ claim to fame is literally mass incarceration and she makes no antiwar statements of any kind. So says WillF! Sure, progressives might make their own judgments and investigations when it comes to progressive candidates, but why not just accept cite-free assertions from someone who has made it clear that they despise progressives? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/36 "2019-05-29T17:35:40Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Then I added Warren, because although I like her, she’s doing terribly by any objective measure, despite plenty of name recognition, and Sanders is doing a much better job of representing basically the same ideological space as her. [You might want to revisit your assumptions about that](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR00OOKjXmFlljaMOOrNXXkYZNxesb6saB382MFWUoyGhfwmTcNdddXBqNc). > [@NY Times](#): > > After five months as a presidential candidate, Ms. Warren is showing signs of success at distinguishing herself in a packed field. She has inched higher in national polls and, at events within the last month, consistently overshot the campaign’s expected number of attendees. > [@NY Times](#): > > Several recent national polls have placed Ms. Warren at the front of the pack of candidates who are clustered behind Mr. Biden and Mr. Sanders. She has gained ground in polls over the last several weeks, while support for Mr. Sanders dipped after Mr. Biden joined the race. Everyone is chasing Biden at the moment, and while Sanders is decidedly second, he is currently dropping while Warren is (slowly) rising. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/37 "2019-05-29T19:05:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So says WillF! Sure, progressives might make their own judgments and investigations when it comes to progressive candidates, but why not just accept cite-free assertions from someone who has made it clear that they despise progressives? Name one candidate on this list who you feel is more antiwar than Gabbard so we can compare. It is no surprise that the attacks on Gabbard are coming from pro-war hawks. They will use all types of disingenuous tactics to attack Gabbard from the left while running candidates on the right like Harris, a quasi-fascist. The Gabbard haters loved her until she turned on the Uber-hawk Clinton and moderate hawk Obama’s intervention in Syria. There was that mainstream millennial columnist who embarrassed herself on Rogan That was funny you should look that up. Typical Doper response to Gabbard. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/38 "2019-05-29T19:11:35Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Name one candidate on this list who you feel is more antiwar than Gabbard so we can compare. > > It is no surprise that the attacks on Gabbard are coming from pro-war hawks. They will use all types of disingenuous tactics to attack Gabbard from the left while running candidates on the right like Harris, a quasi-fascist. Enjoy taking down these straw men! I won’t take part, but I’ll giggle from the sidelines. > [@](#): > > The Gabbard haters loved her until she turned on the Uber-hawk Clinton and moderate hawk Obama’s intervention in Syria. There was that mainstream millennial columnist who embarrassed herself on Rogan That was funny you should look that up. Typical Doper response to Gabbard. You get that purple monkey bicycle on the chainwax good! Bring pie and take the stairs! Karate kick the bacon up the slide! ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/39 "2019-05-29T20:20:01Z")
Don’t understand why people think Biden has best shot of beating Trump. Biden’s experience is mostly way too long as a Senator from a very blue state with about 50 people in it. And holding Obama’s coat for 8 years. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662/40 "2019-05-29T20:42:54Z")
Look, who are you going to believe, **WillFarnaby** or Tulsi Gabbard? I mean, obviously, you can’t trust her when she describes herself as a total hawk who wants to escalate military involvement in the world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-democratic-candidates-that-should-drop-out/834662.md?page=3)