# 2020 POTUS Debate 1 (29 September) follow-along and discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854 "2020-09-30T00:30:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/542 "2020-10-01T19:45:47Z")
Lol, here is one for you: Trump supporter and Dilbert creator Scott Adams has decided to no longer vote for Dotard because, get this, Trump didn’t answer correctly on the White Supremacy question. LOL, Scott! Mad he blew your cover? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 > ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/543 "2020-10-01T19:51:09Z")
Scotty is upset that Trump didn’t lie about his position? That is funny. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/544 "2020-10-01T22:07:13Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > How would YOU take control of trump? > > Sedative darts At the very least the moderator should have a gavel. (Not sure even that would shut Trump up, but it would make a good audio/visual for the world to see Trump shouting over the moderator’s banging gavel.) Best kind of gavel would be the flinty kind they use in Klingon courts, that shoot off sparks. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/545 "2020-10-01T22:08:59Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > At the very least the moderator should have a gavel. (Not sure even that would shut Trump up Get a throwing gavel. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/546 "2020-10-01T22:10:41Z")
I wonder if [John Bercow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bercow) might be available? **ORDERRRRRRRRRR!!!** ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/547 "2020-10-01T22:11:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Get a throwing gavel. On it! I’m working on forging a Mjolnir-sized gavel that’ll bounce off a candidate and return to the moderator’s hand. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/548 "2020-10-01T22:24:51Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump supporter and Dilbert creator Scott Adams has decided to no longer vote for Dotard because, get this, Trump didn’t answer correctly on the White Supremacy question. LOL, Scott! Mad he blew your cover? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Adams is such a sucky little baby. He’s also a liar. Like, a MASSIVE liar. Any factual claim he makes, verify, because he lies like I breathe. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/549 "2020-10-01T22:24:53Z")
[/quote] There’s also the fact that he’s in hock to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, and his only options for repaying it are massive liquidation of his properties (which might not be enough) or sale of state secrets. [/quote] He is a billionaire, so owing 400 million is no big deal. Why do think he can’t just get new loans to pay the old ones? I don’t understand how you think you know about his negotiation options. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/550 "2020-10-01T22:28:53Z")
Who is going to give him a loan? There’s only one bank that will deal with him now. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/551 "2020-10-01T22:35:37Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > He is a billionaire Objection! Assertion of fact not in evidence! ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/552 "2020-10-01T22:38:22Z")
> **[Yes, Donald Trump Is Still A Billionaire. That Makes His $750 Tax Payment...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/28/yes-donald-trump-is-still-a-billionaire-that-makes-his-750-tax-payment-even-more-scandalous/#69e04e6d2885)** > > The bombshell New York Times report raises new questions about the president’s finances. One thing not in doubt: He remains very rich. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/553 "2020-10-01T22:38:23Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > He is a billionaire, so owing 400 million is no big deal. Why do think he can’t just get new loans to pay the old ones? I don’t understand how you think you know about his negotiation options. [Forbes.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/08/trumps-net-worth-drops-600-million-in-a-year-to-25-billion/#354dc4572363) > Cash/liquid assets > Net value: $160 million > Change since 2019: No change That’s a problem when you have 400 million coming due. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/554 "2020-10-01T22:39:22Z")
You have never done a balloon loan? ---
**Author:** ![mtnmatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@mtnmatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mtnmatt)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/555 "2020-10-01T22:45:02Z")
WRT “you’re a number 2” I assumed that it was a dig as in, “you’re not capable of being the top guy, the Alpha” though that assumes more cleverness than I think trump is capable of ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/556 "2020-10-01T22:45:46Z")
I have to wonder how many of you have done multimillion dollar deals. I have been in several. It’s like you think since you drive a car you know what formula one drivers know. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/557 "2020-10-01T22:47:51Z")
I think multiple sources have confirmed that Trump was referring to Biden skipping the point he was trying to make and going to number three. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/558 "2020-10-01T22:48:22Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > I have to wonder how many of you have done multimillion dollar deals. I have been in several. It’s like you think since you drive a car you know what formula one drivers know. - What’s that got to do with simple math? 160 is less than 400. It works no matter how many zeros you’re dealing with. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/559 "2020-10-01T22:49:43Z")
He could restructure the debt in multiple ways, why do you think he needs cash? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/560 "2020-10-01T22:56:08Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > I have to wonder how many of you have done multimillion dollar deals. I have been in several. It’s like you think since you drive a car you know what formula one drivers know. It’s a whole lot more effective if you explain rather than trying to cow us with your alleged expertise. > [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > He could restructure the debt in multiple ways, why do you think he needs cash? Why would a billionaire need to restructure debt? Why not just pay it off? It’s a mere fraction of his worth. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/561 "2020-10-01T22:59:57Z")
Why, the devil is in the details. Cash flow, other opportunities, changes in rates, there are many reasons why a deal is structured in a certain way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854.md?page=29)