# 2020 POTUS Debate 1 (29 September) follow-along and discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854 "2020-09-30T00:30:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/582 "2020-10-02T00:00:58Z")
Please help me,”sorry logic”? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/583 "2020-10-02T00:03:15Z")
Ooh, jargon. Impressive. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/584 "2020-10-02T00:03:25Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > Please help me,”sorry logic”? Again, that line of yours was not a “binary choice”. You were using a ([Trump]yuge![/Trump]) huge excluded middle there. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/585 "2020-10-02T00:07:12Z")
I was not the person who claimed that either all assets were losing money or he’s lying. He is the one presenting the toggle. The street lights have come on so l have to stop playing. See ya tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/586 "2020-10-02T00:14:04Z")
For goodness sake, I thought everybody knew that every US bank thought Donnie was a bad credit risk. As I understand it, only Deutsche Bank will loan him money. We need to use a bit of levity to ease the stress of this last month. I saw a FB post with Melania’s face with the caption: “It’s OK, Joe. Donald never lets me finish either.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/587 "2020-10-02T00:22:18Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > I was not the person who claimed that either all assets were losing money or he’s lying. He is the one presenting the toggle. > The street lights have come on so l have to stop playing. See ya tomorrow. What Elmer\_J.Fudd said was: > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > All of those are losing money. And if they’re not, Trump is lying to the IRS. To that you replied: > [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > So we have a binary choice, ALL of Trumps assists are losing money, or he is lying to the IRS. Elmer was referring to **specific** assets of Trump, **not all of them**. He also added a conditional: “IF” that opens more choices. So no, the illogical binary choice was in your statement. Again, it can be that several Trump assets are losing money and he is lying to the IRS too. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/588 "2020-10-02T00:28:06Z")
Was rewatching some clips and Trump’s answer on forest management was utter garble that I didn’t really catch live. _In Europe, they live, they have forest cities. They’re called forest cities. They maintain their forest, they manage their forest._ ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/589 "2020-10-02T00:56:08Z")
That moron still thinks that Europeans rake their forest land. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/590 "2020-10-02T01:02:49Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > In Europe, they live, they have forest cities. They’re called forest cities. They maintain their forest, they manage their forest. I’m totally picturing Lothlorien from _The Lord of the Rings_, now. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/591 "2020-10-02T01:05:50Z")
Or that doing multimillion deals makes one an expert in tax laws? At one time in my life, I quit the family business, bought out a competitor, lobbed (multimillion $) bids at my parents clients for a few years (winning some, losing most) until they bought me out, bringing me back into the family business. Now, I don’t have the slightest idea what fuckall the above has to do with Mr Trump’s taxes, but then, I’m not sure what your experience with ‘multimillion $’ deals has to do with them either. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/592 "2020-10-02T01:07:50Z")
Europe = Endor ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/593 "2020-10-02T01:07:52Z")
Forest cities exist. You can see one in the background of this photo of a young native boy, looking out into a valley: [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jzZ8elzdjvUErPdtdau1iSemXUOClsGuxBQzFjbq0tJcoPG4skOqeB2HdoHEO0zC63Jv1szcv6s79vQU9mmr28GG-xsa99VGE7cqpfq5UkNzKlm8XvmuaaUdwLEJh13cdQYocvys0w=w600-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/K6Edaf1QN6iSCzFX8) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/594 "2020-10-02T01:09:06Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > I lack knowledge about his current relationships with the entirety of global lending institutions. Hmmm. Two days ago, I posted this in another thread: > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/330): > > Because he had, several years ago, gotten to the point where most of the major U.S. banks were no longer willing to keep lending him money. Deutsche Bank was a notable exception, and they’ve since been under investigation for shady dealings. (Note: the article below is from 2017.) To that, you replied: > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/332): > > I am aware of that, and the Russians saving his ass by renting/ buying his NewYork real estate. Did you forget? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/595 "2020-10-02T01:11:46Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@Boycott](#): > > > > In Europe, they live, they have forest cities. They’re called forest cities. They maintain their forest, they manage their forest. > > I’m totally picturing Lothlorien from _The Lord of the Rings_, now. 😃 Let the Ents clean up their own damn forest. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/596 "2020-10-02T01:12:21Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Let the Ents clean up their own damn forest. Hmmmm, hoooooom, don’t be hasty, @running_coach. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/597 "2020-10-02T01:16:59Z")
I wrote that no one wanted to buy Trump’s properties. I don’t know how many are in New York City but I do know NYC buildings aren’t going to be easy to sell now with people fleeing the city and businesses closing their offices. I was referring to his golf course resorts which are reported to be generally unwanted in the market. He has been selling some real estate though, to unknown Russians, but he’s kept that all secret and there’s no way to tell if he had to sell those short. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/598 "2020-10-02T01:18:56Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > Let the Ents clean up their own damn forest. > > Hmmmm, hoooooom, don’t be hasty, @running_coach. You are in the wrong fictional universe entirely. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/599 "2020-10-02T01:23:28Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You are in the wrong fictional universe entirely. Oh, pudu! _Force ghost vanishes_ ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/600 "2020-10-02T01:26:23Z")
[European Forest Cities.](https://efi.int/explore/city) It is a real thing. It’s not something Trump pulled out of his ass. What point he was trying to make in bringing it up, as it pertains to America, I have no idea, but it is a thing. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854/601 "2020-10-02T01:32:19Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > It is a real thing. It’s not something Trump pulled out of his ass. What point he was trying to make in bringing it up, as it pertains to America, I have no idea, but it is a thing. I was picturing a city integrated into a forest setting. That’s not what your link is about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-1-29-september-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/921854.md?page=31)