# 2020 POTUS Debate 2 (22 October) follow-along and discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 22, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634 "2020-10-22T22:20:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Mickyfinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@Mickyfinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickyfinn)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/301 "2020-10-23T02:51:25Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Trump’s goal with his bellicosity and belligerence was to make Joe stutter or stumble on his train of thought, Biden did stutter a bit. That occasionally happens with people who battle with stuttering. Anyone who tries to make an issue about Biden stuttering tonight is a hole of the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/302 "2020-10-23T02:55:08Z")
I think it only matters (which overstates it) inasmuch as it was an indication that Trump was getting under Biden’s skin. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/303 "2020-10-23T02:55:09Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Good? > Did he just say"good" that the kids don’t know where their parents are? I heard it on the radio and came to confirm that I didn’t just imagine that… Trump is a certified bastard. 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/304 "2020-10-23T02:56:14Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > > [@Railer13](#): > > > > Did any of you notice Trump typing on his phone a few minutes ago? > > Every politician in the word has a social media director that sends tweets out. You can also schedule tweets to go out at a later time. Obviously somebody other than Trump sent out that tweet. But to do so while the debate is still going on? ---
**Author:** ![Mickyfinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@Mickyfinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickyfinn)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/305 "2020-10-23T02:56:52Z")
> [@Lantern2](#): > > Yeah it was a terrible answer. Trump simply can’t let go off his grievances and even pretend to be statesmanslike Someone should have pointed out how he didn’t even come close to answering the premise of the question. In a perfect world the moderator would have said “I asked how you would address the American people at your inauguration, what the fuck are you talking about?” ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/306 "2020-10-23T02:57:45Z")
I LOL’d when Trump went on his “Russia Russia Russia” rant. Dude, your _own Director of National Intelligence_ just went on the air and told the nation Russia was trying to internet with this election!! Oh my Lord Og, can this guy get more stupid??? ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/307 "2020-10-23T02:58:29Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Black men got the right to vote in 1870 so Grant I think. Women of any color didn’t come till later. > > The point is…? Well, no. It wasn’t until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that Black men and women were able to vote without all the clever restrictions like literacy tests that were designed to disenfranchise them. Supposedly Native Americans got the right to vote in 1924 when the Snyder Act was passed. However, there were disingenuous ways to keep First Nations people from voting, too. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 eliminated the last obstacles that kept Black AND Native peoples from voting freely. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/308 "2020-10-23T02:59:05Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Oh my Lord Og, can this guy get more stupid??? Yes. Yes he can and will. There’s no bottom on that hole. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/309 "2020-10-23T03:01:17Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Well, no Well, yes. It was 1870. A black man could vote since then. There were lots of hurdles as you mention which didn’t get swept away till 1965 but the correct answer remains 1870. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/310 "2020-10-23T03:02:14Z")
Some of those “hurdles” were more like 100 ft brick walls covered in razor wire and machine gun nests. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/311 "2020-10-23T03:04:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > IIRC the Obama admin had two years where it was all dems. Because of Kennedy’s brain cancer, and Franken not being seated for months, they had a filibuster proof window of something like a month. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/312 "2020-10-23T03:06:07Z")
I have to admit that apparently Trump can speak for two minutes straight and sound relatively coherent; at least, if one doesn’t require truth to be part of coherence. > [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Did he just say"good" that the kids don’t know where their parents are? I was wondering whether anybody else heard that. – I see that GIGObuster heard it too (post 303.) > [@Skywatcher](#): > > The cages were originally for children who came across unaccompanied during Obama’s administration And were temporary holding, not extended, due to a sudden increase in unaccompanied teens (not accompanied toddlers) coming across and overwhelming the standard facilities. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/313 "2020-10-23T03:06:37Z")
I feel stoopeder for watching that. Fuck it. I voted a week ago, and it was never in question. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/314 "2020-10-23T03:09:46Z")
So this (aimed at Trump): [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5hfYJsQAhl0/maxresdefault.jpg "The Ultimate Insult - May God Have Mercy On Your Soul - Billy Madison (Academic Decathlon)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0) ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/315 "2020-10-23T03:17:34Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Because of Kennedy’s brain cancer, and Franken not being seated for months, they had a filibuster proof window of something like a month. Yep. They didn’t expect Kennedy to be replaced with a Republican, so there was no rush to tweak the two versions. Then they lost the 60th Senate vote, so they had to pass the Senate version in the house. AIUI, there was a separate bill passed via reconciliation that tweaked the law. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/316 "2020-10-23T03:18:51Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > But to do so while the debate is still going on? Are you equally upset about the dozen tweets that Biden’s team put out during the debate? Seriously - it happens every debate. It’s not a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/317 "2020-10-23T03:18:58Z")
OK, so… - _ **objectively** _ - who won? I’m seeing a conservative message board absolutely nuts, claiming Trump whooped Biden, and then plenty of people of other persuasion saying not so fast, Biden was solid and firm while Trump was scatterbrained. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/318 "2020-10-23T03:21:37Z")
Well, how many points did each team get, and who got the sportsball to the end of the zone the most times? I mean, what do you mean “objectively”? ETA: This is a game of popularity, and I don’t think either of them moved the needle. It’s a draw. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/319 "2020-10-23T03:23:01Z")
If you ignore Trump’s lies and just go with who dominated the debate I’d have to give the nod to Trump. He really beat up Biden with his 90’s crime bill and Biden was wholly ineffective at pointing out Trump’s lies and making that stick (he’d say something about it but never really landed anything). You could also see Trump getting Biden agitated. That said, Biden did well enough to see that this debate didn’t sway anyone which is probably what Biden wanted out of it. He knows he will never get the MAGA people. He just needed to keep what he’s got and he did that. So, tactical win for Trump, strategic win for Biden. Just my $0.02 ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634/320 "2020-10-23T03:25:20Z")
What happened to packing the Supreme Court? Wasn’t Trump supposed to push Biden for an answer on that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-potus-debate-2-22-october-follow-along-and-discussion-thread/923634.md?page=17)