# 2020 Prez hopefuls... your take or your candidates **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2017, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413 "2017-11-12T07:52:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/41 "2017-11-13T12:29:48Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Franken/either of the Castro brothers > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well, Fidel’s dead. Who’s left besides Raul? Chico, Julian, Joaquin and Gummo. If you can’t decide whether to prefer Julian or Joaquin, it really doesn’t say much about their individual appeal. We can’t put them forward as an either/or - if one can’t rise above his own brother and stand out, he ain’t gonna rise above other candidates in either the primary or the general. > [@septimus](#): > > Al Franken is a sarcastic hard left-winger who insults people. If he’s so popular, why did _Air America_ go bankrupt? Because liberals don’t want a left-wing version of FoxNews? It was a stupid idea. > [@](#): > > But he’s also a comic, for heaven’s sakes. A comic for President?? A comic whose stock-in-trade is to ridicule Americans. That’s what we’ve got now, except the current guy isn’t very funny. Remember that Trump spent his entire campaign talking about how crap America was and mocking vast swathes of the population, including doing so on Russian media. > [@](#): > > Don’t get me wrong: I and many informed Americans would love to see Franken elected! _ **But we need a candidate who can appeal to some of the uninformed Americans of Flyoverland.** _ How does one appeal to the wilfully uninformed without simply pandering to their prejudices? And how does one pander to their prejudices without running a negative and unconstructive campaign? > [@](#): > > Progressive Democrats have become so vocal, they overlook that they’re just a small minority of voters. I like Al and it’s easy to overlook the fact that he’s actually a very hardworking politician who does his research and does try to do his best for both his constituents and the country. I wouldn’t mind him as President but he doesn’t seem to want the job and he’s doing good work where he is. I’d rather have him in a Senate leadership role at some point than in the WH. Plus, you know, he’s getting old. The problem is that I’m not seeing anyone I _do_ want as President (well, maybe Elizabeth Warren, and the age issue continues to be a problem there too). ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/42 "2017-11-13T13:31:57Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Well, Peoria can go eat a bag of poison dicks, then. … > It’s time for the Democrats to stop being afraid of Liberals and it’s time to stop caring what non-Democrats think about it. My favorite campaign slogan of 2020, so far - “Progressives in 2020 - who cares what you think?” Short, catchy, fits on a bumper and accurately sums it up in a few words. Also would fit on a protest sign outside Trump’s re-inauguration. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/43 "2017-11-13T13:39:51Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Let me try that again please: > > **Governor[COLOR=White]. . . . . . . . . State . . [/COLOR]\*Started . . . .[COLOR=#3333FF][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/COLOR]**[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] .[/COLOR]_Departing > **[[COLOR=blue]Jerry Brown](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown) . . . . .[/COLOR]**[[COLOR=#3333FF]California](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/California) [/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] .[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR]January 3 2011 2019 (term limits) > **[[COLOR=blue]John Hickenlooper](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hickenlooper)[/COLOR]**[[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . Colorado[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado) [/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] .[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]**[COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]January 11 2011 [/FONT][/COLOR]2019 (term limits) > [[COLOR=blue]Dan Malloy](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Malloy) [/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white]. . . . . . Connecticut[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut) [/COLOR][COLOR=white]. January 5 2011 [/COLOR]2019 (retiring) > [[COLOR=blue]John Carney](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carney) [/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white]. . . . . Delaware[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware) [/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]**[COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR]January 17 2017 [/FONT][/COLOR]2021 > **[[COLOR=blue]David Ige](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ige) [/COLOR]**. . . . . . . [[COLOR=#3333FF]Hawaii](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii)[/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] .[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR]December 1 2014 2018 > **[[COLOR=blue]John Bel Edwards](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bel_Edwards) . [/COLOR]**[[COLOR=#3333FF]Louisiana](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana) [/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] .[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]**[COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]January 11 2016 [/FONT][/COLOR]\*2020 > [[COLOR=blue]Mark Dayton](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dayton) . . . . . [/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF]Minnesota](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota)[/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota)[/COLOR][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR]\*January 3 2011 2019 (retiring) > [[COLOR=blue]Steve Bullock](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bullock) . . . . [/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF]Montana](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana) [/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]**[COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR]. [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]January 7 2013 [/FONT][/COLOR]2021 (term limits) > **[[COLOR=blue]Andrew Cuomo](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo) . . . [/COLOR]**[[COLOR=#3333FF]New York](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York) [/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR]. [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]January 1 2011 [/FONT][/COLOR]2019 > **[[COLOR=blue]Roy Cooper](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cooper) . . . . . .[/COLOR]**[[COLOR=#3333FF]North Carolina](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina) [/COLOR]January 1 2017 2021 > **[[COLOR=blue]Kate Brown](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Brown)[/COLOR]**[COLOR=blue][FONT="][COLOR=white] . . . . . [/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR]**[[COLOR=#3333FF]Oregon](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon) [/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] .[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][URL=“https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut”][COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]February 18 2015 2019 > [[COLOR=blue]Tom Wolf](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Wolf) [/COLOR][[COLOR=#3333FF]\*\*[COLOR=blue][FONT="][COLOR=white] . . . … . . .[/COLOR]\*\*Pennsylvania[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania) [/FONT][/COLOR]January 20 2015 2019 > [[COLOR=blue]Gina Raimondo](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Raimondo) [/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT="][COLOR=white] . … .[/COLOR]** [/FONT][/COLOR]\*\*[[COLOR=#3333FF]Rhode Island](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island) [/COLOR]January 6 2015 2019 > \*\*[[COLOR=blue]Terry McAuliffe](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_McAuliffe)[/COLOR][[COLOR=blue]**[COLOR=blue][FONT="][COLOR=white] . . .[/COLOR]**[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_McAuliffe) [/FONT][/COLOR]\*\*[[COLOR=#3333FF]Virginia](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia) [/COLOR]_[COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]**[COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]**[COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]January 11 2014 [/FONT][/COLOR]_2018 (term limits) > **[[COLOR=blue]Jay Inslee](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Inslee) [/COLOR]**[[COLOR=#3333FF]\*\*[COLOR=blue][FONT="][COLOR=white] . . . . . … [/COLOR]\*\*Washington[/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_(state)) [/FONT][/COLOR]_[COLOR=#3333FF][FONT="][[COLOR=#3333FF][COLOR=white] . [/COLOR]](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut)[/COLOR]January 16 2013 [/FONT][/COLOR]\*2021 Kudos for the formatting. I think that Steve Bullock is the Democratic party’s best bet. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve\_Bullock\_(American\_politician)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bullock_(American_politician)) (Apparently, there’s two Wikipedia pages for him.) He’s the only Democratic governor in a red state and his policies look reasonably attractive to a Trump voter, it’s all “Montana first” / “blue collar worker” specific. The Wikipedia article also says that he’s the 4th most popular governor in the country, and the three above him are Republicans, so that makes him the most popular Democratic governor in the country. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/44 "2017-11-13T13:52:43Z")
I’ll put my money on Eric Garcetti. For veep I’ll take Duckworth or Julian Castro. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/45 "2017-11-13T14:42:54Z")
It was turnout that won the recent Virginia elections, not reaching out to the middle or trying to persuade swing voters. Democrats actually came out and voted in big numbers, which they didn’t in WI, MI, and PA, in 2016. I don’t even think the VA campaign mattered much – VA Democrats were pissed about Trump and Charlottesville and the like and voted as such. Which, in my mind, reinforces that we Democrats should have a Presidential candidate who excites and motivates Democrats to want to come out and vote for them. That’s how Obama won – Democratic turnout was very, very high. He appealed to many crossover/swing voters too, but he didn’t need them – if working class white voters had voted like they did for Trump in '08 and '12, Obama still would have won (albeit more closely) based on the very high Democratic voter turnout (I don’t have a cite handy for this – it comes from my memory of various past analyses). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/46 "2017-11-13T14:53:01Z")
I’ll add the caveat that an exciting and charismatic candidate who also has appeal to middle and swing voters would be ideal, but between “motivating high turnout for Democrats/progressives” and “appealing to middle/swing voters”, I think the former is more valuable and important and vital. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/47 "2017-11-13T15:18:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ll add the caveat that an exciting and charismatic candidate who also has appeal to middle and swing voters would be ideal, but between “motivating high turnout for Democrats/progressives” and “appealing to middle/swing voters”, I think the former is more valuable and important and vital. Yes because the Democratic voters might switch over the opposite side and vote R. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/48 "2017-11-13T16:23:08Z")
Cory Booker is the only Democrat not totally unwilling to run who can capture the public imagination. I like Franken, but let’s face it: he’s a stand-up comic temporarily doing serious work. I suspect there are more than enough drug and alcohol related skeletons in his closet to doom a presidential campaign (and I’m sure that’s why he’ll never run). ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/49 "2017-11-13T16:46:02Z")
Ugh… Cory Booker. I like his stances on a lot of issues (single payer in particular), but so many things about him rub me the wrong way. He plays it up for the media too much (Oprah, the whole “feud” bit with Conan); he’s got these odd libertarian stances on some things (charter schools and vouchers); and it seems to me an open question as to whether he actually did any good as mayor of Newark, which remains a mess. Not that I think he’ll run, but the one who’s impressed me in the admittedly little I’ve seen/read about him, is Washington governor Jay Inslee. ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/50 "2017-11-13T16:55:52Z")
Given that Joe Biden has recently been aloof on running, it feels like he’s going to toss his hat into the ring shortly after the mid-terms. He’s doing all the normal things: book tour now, being “coy” about running, but strategic leaks about it happening that show up in [Huff Post](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joe-biden-talks-with-oprah-about-the-possibility-of-a-2020-presidential-run_us_5a064f70e4b0e37d2f37883b) and so on. Given that, I’d love to see a Biden/Booker ticket. Until this point, Cory Booker’s been my first choice, but he could still use a little seasoning. So, given Biden’s age - he announces he’s doing 1 term to “save the US from Trump” (add your own Biden-esque foot-in-mouth phase here), with the explicit goal of getting Booker the experience he’d need to run at the top of the ticket in 2024. Yeah! That’s it! ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/51 "2017-11-13T16:58:14Z")
Of the governors, I’m thinking either Bullock or Hickenlooper. I agree with adaher’s thinking in his thread about McAuliffe. The same things that make Cuomo unpopular upstate are what would kill him nationally. Just watching him try to defend the SAFE act would drive a lot of voters away. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/52 "2017-11-13T17:24:36Z")
Kamala Harris is an excellent choice for president–in 2024 or later. She needs more time on the national stage before running for president. Not because she needs more experience (I have no doubt she’d be a good president right now), but because she needs time to make more connections and build wider support. And she’s smart enough to know a premature run won’t help her. Give her a few more years and she will run when she’s ready. But 2020 is going to be a Democratic wave year. She needs to catch it by being the vice presidential candidate. It’s the perfect spot for her and will help whoever’s the presidential candidate (assuming they’re not from the West Coast). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/53 "2017-11-13T22:36:32Z")
While there’s some salty language at the start, overall this feels more like an Elections thread. Everyone remember to play nice in your new forum. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/54 "2017-11-13T22:41:35Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Kamala Harris is an excellent choice for president–in 2024 or later. She needs more time on the national stage before running for president. Not because she needs more experience (I have no doubt she’d be a good president right now), but because she needs time to make more connections and build wider support. And she’s smart enough to know a premature run won’t help her. Give her a few more years and she will run when she’s ready. > > But 2020 is going to be a Democratic wave year. She needs to catch it by being the vice presidential candidate. It’s the perfect spot for her and will help whoever’s the presidential candidate (assuming they’re not from the West Coast). This is exactly what I think, too. I hope she is willing and I hope she is picked. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/55 "2017-11-15T00:06:36Z")
For all the Biden fans, you’re probably not spending much time reading at this site, but you might want to be aware of [these accusations](http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/exclusive-former-joe-biden-secret-service-agent-protect-women-weinstein-level-stuff/): > [@](#): > > A former Secret Service agent assigned to the Vice President Joe Biden residence claims that the Service often had to protect female agents from him. > > Speaking on the condition of anonymity, the agent asserted that, “We had to cancel the VP Christmas get together at the Vice President’s house because Biden would grope all of our wives and girlfriend’s asses.” The annual party was for agents and Navy personnel who were tasked with protecting the Biden family. > > “He would mess with every single woman or teen. It was horrible,” the agent said. > > According to the source, a Secret Service agent once got suspended for a week in 2009 for shoving Biden after he cupped his girlfriend’s breast while the couple was taking a photo with him. The situation got so heated, the source tells Big League, that others had to step in to prevent the agent from hitting the then-Vice President. > > Additionally, the agent claims that Biden would walk around the VP residence naked at night. “I mean, Stark naked… Weinstein level stuff,” he added. Note: I’m obviously not in a position to assess the truthfulness of the agent’s claims, but they are out there in the public domain. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/56 "2017-11-15T00:17:43Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > For all the Biden fans, you’re probably not spending much time reading at this site, but you might want to be aware of [these accusations](http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/exclusive-former-joe-biden-secret-service-agent-protect-women-weinstein-level-stuff/): > > Note: I’m obviously not in a position to assess the truthfulness of the agent’s claims, but they are out there in the public domain. If true, I hope more such accusations come out. This is the right time for this kind of thing – let’s get it all out in the open, and move on from the abusers for good. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/57 "2017-11-15T00:22:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > For all the Biden fans, you’re probably not spending much time reading at this site, but you might want to be aware of [these accusations](http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/exclusive-former-joe-biden-secret-service-agent-protect-women-weinstein-level-stuff/): No, I am not spending much time on that site. Here are the hot headlines on the main page: DUMB AS A BRICK=\> Chelsea Clinton Celebrates New Sharia Law Barbie Doll – Gets DESTROYED on Twitter IT’S A FAKE! Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED Stepson of Roy Moore Accuser Says She’s LYING – ‘I STAND BEHIND THE JUDGE 100%’ Video: Joe Biden Fondles Little Girls’ Breasts; Uses Bible to Entice Girl at Senate Ceremony ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/58 "2017-11-15T00:25:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No, I am not spending much time on that site. Here are the hot headlines on the main page: > > DUMB AS A BRICK=\> Chelsea Clinton Celebrates New Sharia Law Barbie Doll – Gets DESTROYED on Twitter > > IT’S A FAKE! Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED > > Stepson of Roy Moore Accuser Says She’s LYING – ‘I STAND BEHIND THE JUDGE 100%’ > > Video: Joe Biden Fondles Little Girls’ Breasts; Uses Bible to Entice Girl at Senate Ceremony Thank you for that! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/59 "2017-11-15T00:33:51Z")
Meh, National Enquirer publishes a bunch of shit too, and yet they managed to break the story about John Edwards’ affair. A selection of [their headlines today](https://www.nationalenquirer.com/): KAREN CARPENTER — TRAGIC POP STAR’S AUTOPSY SECRETS! ROYALS PANIC OVER PLASTIC SURGERY SECRETS KIM CATTRALL: BITTER STAR SAYS ‘SEX AND THE CITY’ COST HER A CHILD CHEVY CHASE HEALTH CRISIS AS FRAIL STAR SLIMS DOWN DOM DELUISE’S GAY SEXUAL ASSAULT SCANDAL COREY FELDMAN ACCUSES NEW PEDOPHILE PREDATOR JEFF CONAWAY: JOHN TRAVOLTA SEXUALLY ASSAULTED ME ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413/60 "2017-11-15T00:35:19Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Meh, National Inquirer publishes a bunch of shit too, and yet they managed to break the story about John Edwards’ affair. A selection of [their headlines today](https://www.nationalenquirer.com/): > > KAREN CARPENTER — TRAGIC POP STAR’S AUTOPSY SECRETS! > > ROYALS PANIC OVER PLASTIC SURGERY SECRETS > > KIM CATTRALL: BITTER STAR SAYS ‘SEX AND THE CITY’ COST HER A CHILD > > CHEVY CHASE HEALTH CRISIS AS FRAIL STAR SLIMS DOWN > > DOM DELUISE’S GAY SEXUAL ASSAULT SCANDAL Yes, but the as shitty as the Inquirer was/is their goal is only to sell their crap, your link is to a partisan rag. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-prez-hopefuls-your-take-or-your-candidates/801413.md?page=4)