# 2020 Ticket Predictions

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [May 15, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998 "2019-05-15T13:02:43Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/21 "2019-05-16T19:32:50Z")

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I predict that the race will most likely come down to Biden, Sanders, and the winner, who will successfully draw a contrast with the lecherous Wall Street tool on her right and the deranged Bolshevik on her left. Despite her polls not looking so good lately, I still think Kamala Harris is in the best position to be that candidate. I have no idea who she should choose for VP; that decision can and should be put off until it’s clearer where her demographic strengths and weaknesses are.

Oh, it’s “time to commit?”. Fine. Harris-Bullock.

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**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/22 "2019-05-16T20:50:13Z")

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This thread is rather silly.

What kind of correct complete Ticket predictions did anyone make for either party in May of 2015?

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/23 "2019-05-16T23:12:12Z")

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> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> Wow, you really are an alien.

This is not okay. Knock off the personal commentary.

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**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/24 "2019-05-19T13:30:37Z")

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LOL - Pence/McConnel - conjures up visions of a Far Side cartoon.

The best ticket depends on the competition. The Republicans can dump Donald by supporting impeachment and then blaming the Dems for Trumps demise. That would clear the way for the white knight Nikki Haley.

So:

Haley/Kasich - Warren/Booker

Trump/Martinez - Biden/Harris

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**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/25 "2019-05-19T13:35:48Z")

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LOL - Pence/McConnel - conjures up visions of a Far Side cartoon.

The best ticket depends on the competition. The Republicans can dump Donald by supporting impeachment and then blaming the Dems for Trumps demise. That would clear the way for the white knight Nikki Haley.

So:

Haley/Kasich - Warren/Booker

Trump/Martinez - Biden/Harris

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/26 "2019-05-19T15:33:44Z")

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> [@pkbites](#):
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> This thread is rather silly.
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> What kind of correct complete Ticket predictions did anyone make for either party in May of 2015?

Ok, see you in November 2020. No need to speculate.

> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> I don’t know what the GOP are going to do after Pelosi is dragged into finally impeaching Trump, screaming all the way. [Edit: Could they pick Haley? I guess. Whoever it is will likely be run just to lose to Warren. But it’s the conservative movement; it will probably be a ‘white man.’]
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> The Democratic ticket and eventual winners will be Elizabeth Warren and a another, younger woman. Warren/Harris looks pretty good on a poster, but Gabbard might be a better pick.

It doesn’t matter what Pelosi does. An impeachment by the house will do nothing to get him off the ticket. Something much bigger that isn’t in the public eye yet will have to come out before he’s actually removed.

I don’t know if the calculus they use to form the optimal ticket actually works but there is no way that the Democrats Will have a ticket with two women on it. Zero chance. I’m thinking it’s close to 100% that one woman will be on it but not two.

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**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/27 "2019-05-19T20:12:24Z")

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> [@Loach](#):
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> Ok, see you in November 2020. No need to speculate.

It’s fun, but quite a bit _too_ far ahead, that’s all.

Who predicted Trump/Pence in May of '15? Or Obama/Biden in may of '07?

This line of thinking can skew who people support and work for. Not that I want a Democrat to win, as much as I dislike Trump.

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**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/28 "2019-05-19T20:24:57Z")

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Haley has so far avoided the Trump stench; she will not start now. Trump/Pence v. Biden/Klobuchar is my pick FWIW (which isn’t much).

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/29 "2019-05-19T20:37:46Z")

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> [@pkbites](#):
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> It’s fun, but quite a bit _too_ far ahead, that’s all.
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> Who predicted Trump/Pence in May of '15? Or Obama/Biden in may of '07?
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> This line of thinking can skew who people support and work for. Not that I want a Democrat to win, as much as I dislike Trump.

Or Bill Clinton. I have no doubt things will shake out in unpredictable ways in the next two years which is why I’m looking outside the box. I’m really hoping for someone different and younger then the top three.

Barring any outside force (health, high crimes) I would be totally shocked if Trump voluntarily leaves the ticket or dumps Pence.

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**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/30 "2019-05-19T23:02:50Z")

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> [@Loach](#):
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> I’m really hoping for someone different and younger then the top three…

Democrats can’t do different. “Raise taxes, ban guns, blah blah blah blah” is all they know. And the Blue Dogs are irrelevant and almost completely extinct.

As much as I dislike Trump personally, and am furious over his betrayal to gun owners, his policies are working.

Plus, I am thoroughly enjoying the chaos that follows him. _“May you live in interesting times”_ is a blessing, not a curse IMHO.

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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\
**Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/31 "2019-05-20T01:27:00Z")

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Biden-Baldwin

Trump-Pence

Of course it so early as to be wildly speculative, especially on the D side, but that’s why it is fun!

FWIW Harris is apparently [a bit miffed](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/15/kamala-harris-joe-biden-sexism-1326892) about the talk of her as a potential Biden VP … and I can’t blame her. Still it’s just filler until the debates start and we have more to talk about.

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**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/32 "2019-05-21T03:25:09Z")

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Trump/Pence

Buttigieg/?

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**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/33 "2019-05-21T10:34:59Z")

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> [@pkbites](#):
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> As much as I dislike Trump personally, and am furious over his betrayal to gun owners, his policies are working.

What policies of his are working?

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/34 "2019-05-21T13:22:26Z")

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> [@pkbites](#):
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> Democrats can’t do different. “Raise taxes, ban guns, blah blah blah blah” is all they know…
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> As much as I dislike Trump personally, and am furious over his betrayal to gun owners, his policies are working.

Well, at least somebody has the pulse of public sentiment in that Once-great Land. _ **GUNS!!** _ Guns are all that matter! GUNS GUNS GUNS!!

Yours would be, by far, the most laughably inane politics in the entire world … if the stakes weren’t as serious as a heart attack.

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/35 "2019-05-21T14:42:14Z")

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> [@pkbites](#):
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> As much as I dislike Trump personally, and am furious over his betrayal to gun owners, his policies are working.

Ok, I’ll bite. How did he betray gun owners? (Is this about bump stocks?)

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**Author:** ![Oly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oly/32/8255_2.png) [@Oly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oly)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/36 "2019-05-22T12:45:58Z")

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> [@Hari\_Seldon](#):
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> Haley has so far avoided the Trump stench; she will not start now. Trump/Pence v. Biden/Klobuchar is my pick FWIW (which isn’t much).

Haley’s avoidance of being sullied will be the very thing that draws her in. She’ll figure she can avoid it again. And she’ll be right. By virtue of irrelevance VP-dom is pretty antiseptic. Trump no longer needs Pence to shore up his bona fides with the Christian Right. They have totally handed Trump their collective soul because judges. He now needs to give the Establishmentarians a butt nudge to bother going to the polls. Haley would do that.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/37 "2019-05-22T15:24:30Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Quoth **Thing Fish** :
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> I really question whether Harris would even want the VP job. Unless the President croaks, it’s a much less powerful position than being a US Senator.

How do you figure? The Vice President has exactly as much voting power in the Senate as any Senator does, they have more procedural power if they choose to use it, and they have a more visible bully pulpit. And that’s in addition to whatever involvement in the executive branch the President chooses to give them.

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/38 "2019-05-22T15:40:43Z")

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> [@Chronos](#):
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> How do you figure? The Vice President has exactly as much voting power in the Senate as any Senator does, they have more procedural power if they choose to use it, and they have a more visible bully pulpit. And that’s in addition to whatever involvement in the executive branch the President chooses to give them.

Even LBJ left a powerful post in the Senate to become VP.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/39 "2019-05-22T16:07:39Z")

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> [@bobot](#):
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> I don’t have a prediction, but Biden/Harris seems pretty good to me. I don’t know much about her other than her performance exposing Barr as a stammering fool, which was impressive.

Not a Harris fan, but she would balance Biden nicely, I admit.  
Biden would likely choose a woman in a state where he needs support, not Harris however. Harris is likely angling for AG.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-ticket-predictions/833998/40 "2019-05-22T16:14:59Z")

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> [@pkbites](#):
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> Democrats can’t do different. “Raise taxes, ban guns, blah blah blah blah” is all they know. And the Blue Dogs are irrelevant and almost completely extinct.
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> As much as I dislike Trump personally, and am furious over his betrayal to gun owners, his policies are working.
> 
> Plus, I am thoroughly enjoying the chaos that follows him. _“May you live in interesting times”_ is a blessing, not a curse IMHO.

The GOP is the "borrow and spend’ party, then blame the necessary taxes on the Dems.:rolleyes: And the GOP betrayed the middle class, note their middle class tax cuts have become a tax increase for most middle class workers.

Other than Booker and Harris, not many Dem candidates want to ban guns. Even Harris’s official position is not very radical.

Trump was NEVER pro-gun. Yes, he put Gorsuch on the court, but other than that, Trump is not a friend to gun owners, never has been. Trump supported the same sort of mild gun control as the mainstream Dems- banning “assault weapons” and other mild controls.

Yeah, nuke war is not the kind of chaos most of us will enjoy.

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