# 2020 Virtual convention thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353 "2020-08-17T23:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/344 "2020-08-26T20:55:12Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > > > No ex-presidents, no former presidential candidates. > > I think they pretty much used everyone on the short list of “true believers.” > > Dole apparently has said things in support of Trump in the past, but he’s also 97 years old, and in poor health (and he may not have wanted to come out in support of Trump now, anyway). Well, yeah - at this stage, getting into heaven has to be his primary concern, and a Trump endorsement would be problematic. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/345 "2020-08-26T21:07:42Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > My thought on the conventions: In this day and age of so much entertainment, it really sorta takes some effort to find a live feed of the conventions. For the Dems, I had to do some poking around to find where to live stream it. Your internet doesn’t have access to YouTube? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/346 "2020-08-26T21:08:12Z")
I love how two women give national speeches, and all the ‘woke’ can do is call one screechy and complain about what the other one is wearing. We have come so far… It’s kind of like how an African-American can become a Senator and give a national speech, and the next morning ‘uncle tom’ is trending on Twitter. This is how you get more Trump. Well, that and the riots. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/347 "2020-08-26T21:15:49Z")
Everything “is how you get more Trump”, according to your posts. You (almost) never fail to spin whatever just happened into somehow ominous for Democrats and a blessing for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/348 "2020-08-26T21:55:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Your internet doesn’t have access to YouTube? It does. Is there a reason you’re asking like a dick? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/349 "2020-08-26T22:07:07Z")
Not at all. The Black Lives Matter movement helped Democrats at first. COVID-19 definitely helped the Democrats. Trump manages to help the Democrats every day, just by being Trump. One of the reasons I feel compelled to post the stuff you don’t want to hear is because, well, someone has to do it. You should be thanking the few right-wing types left on this board for keeping it from being a complete echo chamber. You don’t want to hear it, but if you actually want to win it’s invaluable to hear how the other side thinks. You might consider that next time yoh unload on a conservative who tells you something you don’t want to hear. You are free to accept their point of view or not, but the information you are given from the pther side is very useful. That’s why I’m here rather than participating in a circle jerk on some libertarian site or whatever. I already know what they think - I’m interested in hearing how the people who don’t agree with me think. You should try it. It’s useful. If you are a Democratic activist, the best thing uou coild do to improve your political skills is to engage with Republicans in a polite, non-judgemental fashion and learn how they really think when they aren’t engaged in the usual partisan snipery, so you can better hone your own arguments. Or, Democrats could stay in their bubble, pat themselves on the back for being the absolute best people around, and write off everything Republicans say as a product of deplorability. Then you can be shocked again on election night when you lose. Remember, Hillary lost in part because she was so convinced that her electoral ‘wall’ in the midwest was so strong she didn’t have to bother campaigning there. How did that work out? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/350 "2020-08-26T22:07:32Z")
Again, assuming this is a real comment - Oratorical style and rhetorical content are fair game for both men and women on the campaign trail and especially at a high profile speaking engagement. Both men and women who give political speeches are judged by the choices they make when delivering their speeches and how that adds to (or detracts from) their underlying message. The comments that I have read about Ms. Guilfoyle are not that she is “screechy,” but that she emulated an oratorical style that was used by and is associated with 1940s fascists. It was not noticed because she’s a woman - in fact, the meme that’s been posted most along side her is a very male sitcom character. Calling that out is not sexism. Making women exempt from criticism is. There are brilliant female orators. There are even more very good-to-great women orators. They _all_ have different styles that suit their personalities, their audiences, and their message. Neither Ms. Guilfoyle nor Ms. Trump is among that set. Pretending that they are and ignoring that they are not is a disservice to women. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/351 "2020-08-26T22:12:27Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > The comments that I have read about Ms. Guilfoyle are not that she is “screechy,” but that she emulated an oratorical style that was used by and is associated with 1940s fascists. Yeah – she wasn’t screechy, she was _ **shouting.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/352 "2020-08-26T22:25:19Z")
Goya guy is out: > **[The Latest: At RNC, nun lauds Trump for being anti-abortion](https://apnews.com/75f9fa75bcf07ff87dd3c668243ea102)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — A Washington nun who is also a surgeon and retired U.S. Army officer says, “Donald Trump is the most pro-life President that this nation has ever had... ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/353 "2020-08-26T22:38:25Z")
Maybe the Pubs finally figured out that he’s the wrong color. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/354 "2020-08-26T22:45:08Z")
I like the thoughtful, reasoned criticism which you do offer sometimes - I was much too hyperbolic with my last post. But “this is how you get more Trump” is not thoughtful and reasoned criticism of the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/355 "2020-08-26T22:57:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Goya guy is out: > [The Latest: At RNC, nun lauds Trump for being anti-abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/75f9fa75bcf07ff87dd3c668243ea102) How many speakers have been axed so far? If the GOP is going to rip off music artists for theme songs, how about “Another One Bites The Dust”? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/356 "2020-08-26T23:17:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > But “this is how you get more Trump” is not thoughtful and reasoned criticism of the Democrats. It’s meant to be a wake-up call, not a reasoned argument. This board seems to be full of people who think the Democrats can’t possibly lose. I’m trying to pount out how they can, hopefully so they don’t do those things. I don’t like Trump either. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/357 "2020-08-26T23:19:53Z")
Who? I’m not sure if I’ve seen a single liberal Doper who thinks the Democrats can’t possibly lose. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/358 "2020-08-26T23:33:56Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I love how two women give national speeches, and all the ‘woke’ can do is call one screechy and complain about what the other one is wearing. We have come so far… > > It’s kind of like how an African-American can become a Senator and give a national speech, and the next morning ‘uncle tom’ is trending on Twitter. These are fair criticisms. Melania is a terrible speaker, and she should be criticized for that. I might give Colbert a pass, given his penchant for making fun of how male politicians look; but folks who are focusing on Melania in this way, due to her gender, are being jerks. I look forward, Sam, to your calling out conservatives for the same sort of behaviors. > [@](#): > > This is how you get more Trump. This, however, is the dumbest thing in Dumbville. No, you get Trump by having a nation of xenophobic cultists. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/359 "2020-08-26T23:45:50Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This board seems to be full of people who think the Democrats can’t possibly lose. I’m asking for a list. Now. With posts as your cite. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/360 "2020-08-27T00:06:04Z")
> Two of the women naturalized in the ceremony from the Trump convention say they were never told they would be a part of the convention and no one sought their consent. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/361 "2020-08-27T00:06:24Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This board seems to be full of people who think the Democrats can’t possibly lose. Not THIS board. Nothing could be further from the truth. You must be thinking of a different board. \ ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/362 "2020-08-27T00:13:48Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This board seems to be full of people who think the Democrats can’t possibly lose. I think this is probably confirmation bias on your part. There are certainly a few people in that category. But far as I can tell the great majority are either outright nervous or at best cautioning against complacency despite Biden’s lead in polling. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353/363 "2020-08-27T00:14:53Z")
Dear Og! That means those folks were little more than props to President Trump! Say it ain’t so! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2020-virtual-convention-thread/918353.md?page=19)