# 2021 NFL QB Carousel Thread aka the NFL Offseason Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [February 9, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489 "2021-02-09T03:25:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/341 "2021-05-07T17:56:00Z")
Not only that but I imagine if your whole team is vaccinated that might allow you to ease up on training restrictions, and it can be hard to cut down your roster before the season. One player being vaccinated vs one that isn’t can help make that easier. Also if a player isn’t willing to get the shot when you announce that you’ll cut those who don’t, then you see who’s really committed. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/342 "2021-05-08T22:31:25Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > No idea if they’re just sabre rattling, No, that’s the hockey team. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/343 "2021-05-11T17:47:49Z")
Colt Brennan dead at 37. > **[Hawaii football legend Colt Brennan, who led an unforgettable era for UH,...](https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/05/11/sources-hawaii-football-legend-colt-brennan-dead/)** > > “You talk about Tiger Woods, you talk about Tom Brady, you talk about LeBron James, he was that popular in the state of Hawaii." Better known for college football and crazy numbers with Hawaii, but tried to make a go of it in the NFL. Being so young and no cause of death being released makes me think we won’t like the reason when it’s released. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/344 "2021-05-11T19:46:51Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Being so young and no cause of death being released makes me think we won’t like the reason when it’s released. A little bit of additional information on ESPN, and you’re right, it sounds likely to be tragic. > [@](#): > > His father said Colt Brennan was in his fifth month at a rehabilitation facility in California when he was found unconscious. He died Monday at a hospital in Newport, California. > [@](#): > > A 2010 car accident left him with a traumatic brain injury, and that made it difficult to continue his football career. He tried to catch on in the USFL, Canadian Football League and Arena Football League but didn’t stick. > > Brennan had a series of legal troubles in recent years, including arrests for driving under the influence. > > In 2020, he was arrested at a hotel for causing a disturbance while intoxicated. A few months later, he was arrested at his own home in Hawai’i for another disturbance during which police said he was “extremely intoxicated.” > **[Ex-Hawai'i record-setting QB Brennan dead at 37](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31427087/ex-hawaii-record-setting-qb-colt-brennan-dead-37)** > > Former Hawai'i record-setting quarterback Colt Brennan has died at age 37. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/345 "2021-05-11T20:46:30Z")
The dingbats online are trying to pin his death on CTE. He may or may not have had some degree of the disease, but his history of drug abuse and irresponsible behavior goes way back to high school. Safe bet the eventual story will be both sad and predictable. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/346 "2021-05-11T21:41:16Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > his history of drug abuse and irresponsible behavior goes way back to high school. So does his history of being repeatedly hit in the head. But, of course, without more information, including an autopsy, there’s really no way to know. If someone is saying his death was _definitely_ due to CTE, they’re talking out of their third point of contact. If they’re saying CTE was probably a factor, they have a pretty good chance of being right, just statistically. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/347 "2021-05-11T21:50:24Z")
The article from Hawaii, to which @dalej42 linked, noted the 2010 car crash he was in, which left him unconscious for a week, and, in his own words, “I woke up and I was, and I still am, a different person;” it also notes that those around him felt that his legal problems stemmed from that crash; the ESPN article indicates that he had suffered a traumatic brain injury in the crash. It may never be known what, if any, role his football career played in his problems, and his death, given the later head injury from the crash. Regardless, it seems pretty clear that he became increasingly troubled, and the Hawaii article, which has been updated, is now also noting that the cause of death was a drug overdose. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/348 "2021-05-11T23:55:04Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > If they’re saying CTE was probably a factor, they have a pretty good chance of being right, just statistically. Not really. CTE is not proven to be causative. Only correlated with mental illness. And in Colt’s case he’s been a serious alcohol and drug abuser going back to HS where he was a bench warmer for Matt Leinart. He wasn’t taking many hits holding a clip board. The reality is that this is just his addiction running it’s course. His addiction probably led to him suffering a serious head injury in that car crash. Not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/349 "2021-05-11T23:56:27Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > it also notes that those around him felt that his legal problems stemmed from that crash; Of course the people close to him prefer that narrative. But it doesn’t explain the legal and drug problems that started 5-6 years before the crash. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/350 "2021-05-12T00:05:30Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The reality is that this is just his addiction running it’s course. His addiction probably led to him suffering a serious head injury in that car crash. Not the other way around. Frankly, I’m rather bemused that you’re so certain about all of this. But, since I don’t myself know anything about Colt Brennan other than a few bits and pieces I’ve read in the press, I’m going to leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thegunismightierthanthepen/32/2981_2.png) [@TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheGunIsMightierThanThePen)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/351 "2021-05-12T00:08:41Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Frankly, I’m rather bemused that you’re so certain about all of this. He _is_ “ **Omniscient** ”, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/352 "2021-05-12T00:49:24Z")
To provide some information that gives a tiny bit of support to some of @Omniscient’s claims, here is an article from the NY Times from 2007: > **[After Brush With Law, Hawaii’s Brennan Seeks Redemption (Published 2007)](https://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/26/sports/ncaafootball/24colt.html)** > > Colt Brennan, Hawaii’s star quarterback, is projected to make a run at the Heisman Trophy, which is noteworthy considering the improbable, circuitous road that Brennan took to Hawaii. In January 2004, while in college at the University of Colorado, “After a night of drinking, he was accused of sexual assault, indecent exposure, burglary and criminal trespass by a female neighbor.” In September a jury found him guilty of unlawful sexual contact, but the charge was downgraded a few months later by a judge, who only found him guilty of second-degree burglary and first-degree criminal trespass. He ended up spending 7 days in jail and serving 60 days of community service. He was also expelled from his school. However, from what I can tell that brush with the law (which seems pretty serious to me) was the only documented trouble he got into prior to the 2010 crash. And to provide some context, the University of Colorado was embroiled in controversy as it was revealed the week of his crime in January 2004 that the school was throwing sex parties for recruits. The NY Times characterized the school’s athletics as “a program run amok”. I’m not sure if that had anything to do with the drinking and subsequent crime, but it also suggests that personal addiction might not have been the reason for his intoxication. He did come back to earn redemption in college athletics and was eventually drafted by Washington (though he was cut after 2 years, having a short NFL career). He had injury problems, starting with the Senior Bowl where he suffered a torn labrum. He later had hip and knee problems which required surgery and kept him off the field. There didn’t seem to be any behavioral or addiction problems at the time, and if he was an addict you’d think that while being on IR you would see those issues becoming predominant. > [@Omniscient](#): > > The reality is that this is just his addiction running it’s course. His addiction probably led to him suffering a serious head injury in that car crash. Not the other way around. He was a **passenger** in that crash, so… ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/353 "2021-05-12T12:59:22Z")
So now it’s the annual drip drip drip of schedule leaks before the whole thing is released. I will say that Bears/Rams is an odd choice for the first NBC Sunday night game. They haven’t (yet) leaked the Monday night game, maybe they’re tossing ESPN a good one to help with ratings. I think I remember reading they weren’t doing the MNF double header on week 1 this season. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/354 "2021-05-12T14:32:50Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I will say that Bears/Rams is an odd choice for the first NBC Sunday night game. Perhaps a bit. There will be some storylines there though. Stafford’s first Rams start against an old rival. Donald-Mack. Plus Bears-Rams has been a subtly interesting rivalry developing over the last couple years with critical late season matchups. And of course, if Fields starts that’ll be a big story. Just found this for MNF. > **[Ravens-Raiders on MNF as part of Week 1 slate](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31431361/las-vegas-raiders-host-baltimore-ravens-monday-night-football-opener-part-week-1-nfl-schedule)** > > The Raiders will host the Ravens on Monday Night Football in Week 1, an opening-week slate that also includes Jets-Panthers, Packers-Saints and Browns-Chiefs. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/355 "2021-05-12T15:59:48Z")
The Monday Night game makes sense as a way to fully open the new Vegas stadium, although I’d like for both teams to lose! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/356 "2021-05-12T17:11:34Z")
AFC North and NFC North have 8 of the top 9 hardest schedules in the NFL this year. Meanwhile, your Super Bowl Champ TB Bucs have the 4th easiest. I,too, am not a fan of the teasing nature of the schedule release. Just put it out already. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/357 "2021-05-13T12:37:11Z")
The Packers reportedly signed Blake Bortles. I need a nice cup of tea and a lie down. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/358 "2021-05-13T14:25:09Z")
Look at it this way - ain’t no way in heck Aaron Rodgers thinks the Packers are seriously considering Blake Bortles as some sort of long-term replacement plan for him. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/359 "2021-05-13T14:26:06Z")
Jordan Love needs a backup. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/360 "2021-05-13T14:37:15Z")
Bortles! ![](https://media.tenor.com/images/32e2e689071732166fb3d50d3cb3a0a5/tenor.gif) As a Bears fan, I welcome his addition to the NFC North. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489.md?page=19)