# 2021 NFL QB Carousel Thread aka the NFL Offseason Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [February 9, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489 "2021-02-09T03:25:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/41 "2021-02-18T00:28:16Z")
I’m sure they will be mentioned, but he’s basically Mitch Trubisky with more injury history. If we’re all-in on a rookie he wouldn’t be terrible as a backup plan, but I’ll be damned if I trade anything more than a bag of balls for him. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/42 "2021-02-18T01:00:03Z")
In meaningless news, the Jags are switching back to Teal as a primary uni. > I suppose they were eager to change the narrative away from the shit show that is Urban Meyer. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/43 "2021-02-18T02:37:47Z")
Maybe the Bears will get a sleeper QB pick like Tom Brady or Russell Wilson. That’s like winning the lottery but it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/44 "2021-02-18T03:22:58Z")
Yes, but if they were so fortunate you can’t count on him starting week 1. Brady didn’t, nor did Brees. Prescott and Wilson did. It’s certainly not something you go into training camp planning for. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/45 "2021-02-18T03:34:07Z")
Exactly. If you pick up a QB in the later rounds, you’re hoping that he has potential to eventually develop into a starter; no one drafts a QB in round 3 or later, thinking that, on draft day, you strongly believe he’ll be your starting quarterback that season (especially not starting by Week 1). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/46 "2021-02-18T03:38:34Z")
You don’t even usually count on a first round QB being a starter week 1. I’m just saying it’s a possibility. A really remote one but it can happen. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/47 "2021-02-18T03:41:33Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m just saying it’s a possibility. A really remote one but it can happen. Certainly. But, given that the Bears clearly don’t have much love for the QBs currently on the roster, they undoubtedly are looking for a better option right now, be it a trade, or drafting a QB in the first round. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/48 "2021-02-18T03:45:11Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > But, given that the Bears clearly don’t have much love for the QBs currently on the roster, they undoubtedly are looking for a better option right now, be it a trade, or drafting a QB in the first round. Good news! Guess who’s available. > **[Tebow leaves game after 5 years in Mets system](https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30919955/new-york-mets-outfielder-tim-tebow-retiring-pro-baseball)** > > Mets outfielder Tim Tebow said he's retiring from professional baseball. He signed with the club in 2016 and played 77 games at Triple-A in 2019. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/49 "2021-02-18T04:09:24Z")
This. The Bears most certainly need to have a plan A and a plan B. Plan B must be drafting a QB before, say, the 5th round. In fact, it was malpractice to not have had that as plan B going into every draft since 2017. Plan A is going to be finding a guy somewhere who has taken snaps as a starter before unless something truly wild happens. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/50 "2021-02-18T14:18:40Z")
They need to do both A and B. Sign a free agent to start in 2021\*, and draft a rookie in the first three rounds to develop. Without trading up, they’re not going to get one of the top 5 QBs in this year’s draft, so they have to hope whoever they do draft turns into the next Prescott or Wilson. If early signs say he’s not, they have to take another swing in 2022. \*I suppose Foles could be that bridge QB, but if he is Nagy and Pace may as well list their houses when training camp starts. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/51 "2021-02-18T17:06:28Z")
The first domino has fallen. [Eagles trade Carson Wentz to Colts for draft picks (nypost.com)](https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/eagles-trade-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-draft-picks/) > The Eagles traded Carson Wentz to the Colts on Thursday for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick (which could turn into a first), according to multiple reports. Considering the size of Wentz’s deal, I think that’s the right price. Early reports about what the Eagles were demanding were pretty crazy. Had the Bears stepped up with this offer I’d have been fine with it, but I don’t really regret missing out either. I liked Wentz coming out of college and I’m not sure why he’s regressed so much, so there’s at least some chance that this will look like a big missed opportunity for the Bears and huge coup for the Colts…but we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/52 "2021-02-18T17:25:32Z")
It’s a great trade for Indy. I agree with you that it would have been a reasonable price for the Bears, too, but it would have been a salary cap headache. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/53 "2021-02-18T18:17:06Z")
> Pricey if he’s a bust. But reasonable if he’s a solid, top 15 starter. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/54 "2021-02-18T18:38:50Z")
Interesting note. > According to [Schefter](https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1362405162023845893), the NFL informed its teams Thursday that the salary cap for 2021 will be at least $180 million, which would be an $18.2 million drop from last season. Some belt tightening is inbound. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/55 "2021-02-18T19:15:41Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Considering the size of Wentz’s deal, I think that’s the right price. Early reports about what the Eagles were demanding were pretty crazy. Had the Bears stepped up with this offer I’d have been fine with it, but I don’t really regret missing out either. It sure makes the Stafford (and Cutler) deals look pretty awful. No guaranteed first round pick, and the second rounder that may become one is another year out. Between this and the number of bloated QB contracts that are being sold off, it’s almost like the NFL has come around about the real value of an average to slightly above average NFL QB. > [@Omnin](#): > > I liked Wentz coming out of college and I’m not sure why he’s regressed so much, so there’s at least some chance that this will look like a big missed opportunity for the Bears and huge coup for the Colts…but we’ll see. I disliked Wentz coming out of college, and he’s playing like I figured. But, as you say, we will see. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/56 "2021-02-18T19:38:20Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > It sure makes the Stafford (and Cutler) deals look pretty awful. Meh, not apples to apples. The Stafford deal had far less to do with getting Stafford than it did getting rid of Goff’s albatross contract. I’d say the Eagles are lucky to be getting anything at all. In fact, I think this is a pretty strong signal that the league values Wentz more than Goff at this point, which I agree with. As for the Cutler deal…well, Cutler was at his apex value-wise at the time and still on a rookie deal. His deal was more comparable to the Watson deal than Wentz who’s value is at rock bottom. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/57 "2021-02-19T02:04:57Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > It’s a great trade for Indy. It wasn’t a great trade for the Eagles but I don’t think they were ever going to get a great trade for him. It’s most likely the best deal they were going to get. So there’s that at least. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/58 "2021-02-19T03:51:46Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Some belt tightening is inbound. True but there were worried the cap might fall as low as $170M, so this is something they knew was coming. I’d be really worried if I were the Saints though they seem to always have some way of fitting under the cap and being competitive. ---
**Author:** ![BigDfromLA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@BigDfromLA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDfromLA)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/59 "2021-02-20T08:04:29Z")
As much as Goff and Darnold struggled this season, I think that both are clearly better players than Wentz. It’s too bad the Colts didn’t go after Darnold. He would have been better for them than Wentz, who was even passed by Jaylen Hurts this season. Wentz will be a bust in Indy next season…comparable to Trubisky with the Bears the last two seasons. Who is the Patriots quarterback next season? Do they have a chance to reaquire Garoppolo? Where will Cam Newton play next season? San Francisco? Philadelphia? Washington to reunite with Ron Rivera? The Giants would be an improvement over what they have now. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/60 "2021-02-20T16:34:09Z")
Yeah, but Wentz is reunited with Reich, who oversaw Wentz’s best seasons. As a Colts fan, I have to be optimistic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489.md?page=4)