# 2021 NFL QB Carousel Thread aka the NFL Offseason Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [February 9, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489 "2021-02-09T03:25:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/61 "2021-02-20T22:57:59Z")
I don’t agree that it’s clear that Goff and Darnold are better than Wentz. At his best, Wentz is an MVP caliber player. At his worst, he’s a dumpster fire. He’s definitely more erratic than the other 2 QB’s. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/62 "2021-02-21T00:15:25Z")
> [@BigDfromLA](#): > > As much as Goff and Darnold struggled this season, I think that both are clearly better players than Wentz. I don’t think this is a particularly defensible position. Wentz had a MVP caliber season and is physically a lot more gifted than both those players. Sure, he had a pig of a season and has been banged up a lot, but Goff is really limited and had the luxury of a really great supporting cast. Even in his Super Bowl season he was very clearly the weak link on that team. Darnold is probably a bit harder to judge because of the garbage fire the Jets have been for his entire tenure, but he’s never once put up tape that’s anywhere close to what Wentz has done at he best. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/63 "2021-02-23T22:17:17Z")
The fomer Redskins will apparently still be known as the Washington Football Team for the 2021 season, but are planning to have a new permanent name for 2022. > [@](#): > > It appears as if the Washington Football Team will have a new name starting in 2022. > > On a team-created website, [WashingtonJourney.com](https://www.washingtonjourney.com/), display text at the top of the page says, “We’ve transitioned from our old name. Now it’s time to write a new legacy. The future of Washington Football arrives in 2022.” [https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/23/washington-football-team-name-coming-2022](https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/23/washington-football-team-name-coming-2022) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/64 "2021-02-23T22:51:34Z")
Really? Six-plus months isn’t enough time to rebrand before the season starts? It’s not like they just found out about this – they dropped the old name last July. Hell, [Aunt Jemima moves faster than these guys](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/brand-formerly-known-aunt-jemima-reveals-new-name-n1257206). ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/65 "2021-02-23T22:59:50Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Really? Six-plus months isn’t enough time to rebrand before the season starts? As I understand it, the NFL has pretty long lead times for approvals on things like uniforms and branded apparel. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/66 "2021-02-23T23:33:35Z")
So what have they been doing since July? Since the league makes a percentage on all merchandise, and WFT merch is likely a complete dud compared to what a new look would generate, I’m surprised the league isn’t insisting on a 2021 debut. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/67 "2021-02-23T23:47:48Z")
Lord knows. I would have thought that they would have spent the last 8 months doing their research, identifying names, etc. But, that website and article suggest that, only now, are they starting to ask for suggested names and uniforms from fans. It’s entirely possible that they already have a short list that they’ve settled on, but they’re looking to build fan interest with the submissions. On the other hand, ISTR that, even a month or two ago, Snyder was suggesting that they might stick with Washington Football Team as their permanent solution. So, the WFT organization may well have been dithering as to what to do. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/68 "2021-02-24T00:07:52Z")
As far as Washington Football Team, there’s two factors at play. 1. No idea if the Bezos rumors are true or not, but I’m sure the NFL wants Snyder out. 2. I wonder if it’s being tied into a new stadium deal. D.C. statehood seems like a dead issue for now, but I’m sure that was also a factor in not moving too fast. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/69 "2021-02-24T01:18:56Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Really? Six-plus months isn’t enough time to rebrand before the season starts? It’s not like they just found out about this – they dropped the old name last July. They are intentionally moving slow here. Could they have moved faster, sure, but they don’t need to. The whole WFT thing has it’s own energy and they are selling branded gear. They also are intentionally trying to create a transition between the old name and the new name, giving everyone a chance to cool off and have some distance from their old loyalties. In fact I’m a little surprised they are only having a 2 year gap, I figured it might push further out. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Lord knows. I would have thought that they would have spent the last 8 months doing their research, identifying names, etc. But, that website and article suggest that, only now, are they starting to ask for suggested names and uniforms from fans. > > It’s entirely possible that they already have a short list that they’ve settled on, but they’re looking to build fan interest with the submissions. > > On the other hand, ISTR that, even a month or two ago, Snyder was suggesting that they might stick with Washington Football Team as their permanent solution. So, the WFT organization may well have been dithering as to what to do. You can’t take anything the marketing department or Snyder say at face value. No doubt that they’ve had a short list of favorite new names for at least a couple years. In fact, they’ve been getting heat for the name for so long that they probably have had some thing in mind quietly for maybe a decade. That statement is basically boilerplate they use to make it sound like they have a “process” and are being “professional” about it, but when it comes down to it it’ll almost certainly the the owner simply picking the one he likes best. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/70 "2021-02-24T01:20:39Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > As far as Washington Football Team, there’s two factors at play. 1. No idea if the Bezos rumors are true or not, but I’m sure the NFL wants Snyder out. 2. I wonder if it’s being tied into a new stadium deal. Do you have a link? Haven’t read anything new about either of these topics recently. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/71 "2021-02-24T02:16:21Z")
Bezos: [Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos could be eyeing ownership of Washington Football Team, per report - CBSSports.com](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-could-be-eyeing-ownership-of-washington-football-team-per-report/) New stadium: [https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/23/washington-football-team-president-will-focus-on-a-new-stadium.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/23/washington-football-team-president-will-focus-on-a-new-stadium.html) I am jumping to a conclusion that the new name could be tied to either of the scenarios. New name, new owner or new name, new stadium announcement. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/72 "2021-02-24T03:01:19Z")
The Bezos rumor smells like clickbait to me. FedEx Field is less than 25 years old, it’ll be interesting to see how that shakes out. It kinda sucks but it seems like it would be tough for either Snyder or Bezos to drum up public support for public money in spite of the fact that they can pit 3 public entities against each other in a bidding war. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/73 "2021-02-24T04:12:56Z")
I suspect that Bezos wouldn’t bother. If he bought the team and wanted a new stadium, he would just build a damn stadium - maybe some tax incentives or tax-free muni bond money that the facility pays off. On the other hand, AT&T Stadium shows that big facilities don’t have to be money-losers for the municipality. Arlington has done quite well by that deal. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/74 "2021-03-01T20:47:12Z")
[JJ Watt to Arizona at $31M for 2 years](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30985209/jj-watt-announces-signing-arizona-cardinals) ($23M guaranteed). Whatever people may think of him as a player, there was clearly a strong market and once again Houston got bupkiss in return. With a front office like that, who needs rivals? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/75 "2021-03-09T01:35:23Z")
Dak Prescott signed a 6 year deal (really just 4) with the Cowboys for … $160 million dollars. $126 of it is guaranteed, and he’ll be making about $42 million a year for the first two years. I love it. I love that Dak was an above average QB drafted in the 4th round, I love his openness and support about mental health issues, and I love Jerry Jones paying him an incredible amount of money. Makes me smile to know the Cowboys will likely continue to be mired in mediocrity. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/76 "2021-03-09T20:21:22Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Makes me smile to know the Cowboys will likely continue to be mired in mediocrity. I was pretty confident about that before this signing but yeah, that reinforces it. I think Dak is the perfect QB for that franchise. Not awful, he’s even pretty good, but I don’t see him ever being great. I even think he’s a bit higher than above average, but he’s not even near elite. He’s a microcosm of how the team has been lately. I think seeing how bad the team was without him was going to doom them into overpaying him. Good on you Dak, you get yours from Jerry. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/77 "2021-03-09T20:27:49Z")
I heard on the radio this morning that Dak’s cap hit this year will only be ~$22 M, much less than the ~$37 M if he was franchised and somewhere in the middle of the pack of quarterback cap impacts in the league. > **[Here’s How Much Dak Prescott Will Count Against The Salary Cap](https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-east/dallas-cowboys/report-how-much-dak-prescott-will-count-salary-cap-hit)** > > Without question, the Dallas Cowboys gave quarterback Dak Prescott a hefty chunk of change in his new four-year contract. Reportedly, Dak will get $75 million ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/78 "2021-03-09T21:03:24Z")
> [@peccavi](#): > > Dak’s cap hit this year It’s the future drain that is going to hold back the Cowboys. That’s not a franchise that should be operating in “win now” mode, not as atrocious as their defense is. > **[How bad was Dallas Cowboys defense? Final numbers say it’s one of team’s...](https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article248263270.html)** > > The numbers add up to an historically bad defense. ETA: Since the board can’t preview that link (I suspect the dashes in the URL confuse it), the headline is: **How bad was Dallas Cowboys defense? Final numbers say it’s one of team’s all-time worst** ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/79 "2021-03-10T15:38:45Z")
Donovan McNabb basically. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/80 "2021-03-11T18:16:23Z")
Apparently a lot of talk about Russell Wilson being traded to the Bears. Frantic pointing out of Vegas actions and stuff like that. Gotten to the volume where some people are thinking that there must be something to it, no smoke without fire stuff. Good luck, Seahawks fans! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489.md?page=5)