# 2021 NFL QB Carousel Thread aka the NFL Offseason Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [February 9, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489 "2021-02-09T03:25:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/141 "2021-03-17T01:15:47Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > But, I do believe the argument that Mitch is so limited mentally that Nagy’s offense never got a chance to develop and evolve. I agree. He just never seemed to “get it.” > [@Omniscient](#): > > Getting him another QB who is a veteran and who can process the coverages and handle adjustments on the fly might help us see how big a problem Nagy himself is. I’m pretty sure that’s what we all said about Foles a year ago. > [@Omniscient](#): > > Unless of course you subscribe to the philosophy that there’s nothing worse than being perpetually mediocre in the NFL. I kind of do. Hitting rock bottom under Fox in 2016, at least we knew we’d get a shot at a QB we could build around for a decade or more. Pace whiffed. And he keeps whiffing. We won’t have a chance at sustained excellence until we find that QB, and we’re probably another two seasons from hitting rock bottom again. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/142 "2021-03-17T01:18:49Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Pace whiffed. And he keeps whiffing. Not sure what you mean by keeps whiffing. He hasn’t swung since Mitch. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/143 "2021-03-17T01:20:32Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Not sure what you mean by keeps whiffing. He hasn’t swung since Mitch. Foles (strike two) and Dalton (likely strike three). And don’t even get me started on Robert Quinn. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/144 "2021-03-17T01:46:56Z")
Meh, those aren’t the same. You don’t get to shit on a GM who’s trying to make the best of a bad situation. There wasn’t another veteran option out there notably better than Foles or Dalton that was actually available. Last year before the Foles trade the meatheads on the internet and radio were calling for Pace to sign such luminaries as Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater and Andy Dalton. I’d say that Foles was better than all of them this year as sad a statement as that is. Certainly none were “the answer” for the Bears. This year no trade has been available, even if Watson gets moved eventually, the Texans are not taking offers seriously right now. What FA is better than Dalton? Fitzpatrick? Tyrod Taylor? Brissett? Alex Smith’s remaining body parts? What could Pace have done that wouldn’t be a “whiff”? Pace hasn’t found the answer, but no answer exists right now. Deck chairs on the Titanic. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/145 "2021-03-17T01:57:16Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Meh, those aren’t the same. You don’t get to shit on a GM who’s trying to make the best of a bad situation. There wasn’t another veteran option out there notably better than Foles or Dalton that was actually available. OK, fair enough – but the bad situation was entirely of his own making. (FTR, I wanted Bridgewater last year and I still think he would have outperformed Foles.) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/146 "2021-03-17T03:35:50Z")
Foles had $17M guaranteed. Bridgewater got $33M guaranteed. There’s no world where the Bears are in a better situation with Bridgewater and his obvious limitations than with Foles after the Jags ate a bunch of his contract. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/147 "2021-03-17T12:30:21Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Meh, those aren’t the same. You don’t get to shit on a GM who’s trying to make the best of a bad situation. There wasn’t another veteran option out there notably better than Foles or Dalton that was actually available. Kirk Cousins. Ryan Tannehill. Deshaun Watson. Patrick Mahomes. This wasn’t just a one year mistake. The Bears went all in on a guy with one year college starting experience (who just happened to be white), didn’t give him a much of a chance to develop or learn, and got these results. Add in passing on Watson and Mahomes, and I can’t see any legitimate reason to not hold Pace responsible. It still cracks me up that Trubisky made the Pro Bowl and Nagy was Coach of the Year. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/148 "2021-03-17T18:20:27Z")
According to [Dan Patrick](https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/russell-wilson-rumors-dan-patrick-reveals-bears-big-trade-offer), before the Dalton signing, Chicago offered 3 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick, and 2 starters for Wilson and were rebuffed. So, no surprise but it would be interesting to see how that would have worked considering QB isn’t their only need. Also, Deshaun Watson has been accused of ‘[inappropriate conduct](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31081473/masseuse-sues-houston-texas-qb-deshaun-watson-calls-baseless)’ by a masseuse. Normally, I’d take that kind of accusation very seriously, but the lawyer involved, Tony Buzbee, is about as close to a stereotypical scuzzball lawyer as it is possible to be. So, who knows? 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/149 "2021-03-17T18:40:37Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Kirk Cousins. Ryan Tannehill. Deshaun Watson. Patrick Mahomes. This wasn’t just a one year mistake. Omni is specifically talking about get Foles and Dalton after Trubisky didn’t pan out. I don’t remember any of these guys being available last year. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/150 "2021-03-17T18:59:03Z")
Which is why I pointed out it wasn’t just a one year mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/151 "2021-03-17T19:03:19Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > According to [Dan Patrick](https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/russell-wilson-rumors-dan-patrick-reveals-bears-big-trade-offer), before the Dalton signing, Chicago offered 3 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick, and 2 starters for Wilson and were rebuffed. > > So, no surprise but it would be interesting to see how that would have worked considering QB isn’t their only need. If true, ya gotta admire Pace’s chutzpah. I would also be skeptical of the Bears’ chances the next 2-3 years – after which Wilson would be 35 – but at least with a true franchise QB you have the realistic hope of long-term, extended success. As opposed to the team’s current stumbling from one year to the next. Even going 12-4 in 2018, there were signs that Trubisky wasn’t going to be the next Rodgers or Brees. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/152 "2021-03-17T20:20:35Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > If true, ya gotta admire Pace’s chutzpah. Heck, Pace had enough chutzpah to trade a couple 3rd rounders and a 4th rounder to stop absolutely no other team from overdrafting Trubisky. What’s so sad is there are some really nice mid round picks by Pace. Adrian Amos. Eddie Jackson. Nick Kwiakowski. But he’ had a more than enough early round whiffs to cost him a job. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/153 "2021-03-17T20:34:14Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Heck, Pace had enough chutzpah to trade a couple 3rd rounders and a 4th rounder to stop absolutely no other team from overdrafting Trubisky. Even if he hadn’t traded up and taken Trubisky at #3, it would still be the defining error of his career. Would those three traded picks have made the Bears a Super Bowl team in 2018? Doubtful. > [@Hamlet](#): > > What’s so sad is there are some really nice mid round picks by Pace. Adrian Amos. Eddie Jackson. Nick Kwiakowski. But he’ had a more than enough early round whiffs to cost him a job. And Darnell Mooney. But Pace has made exactly one good first round pick since he got here, and Khalil Mack sure hasn’t delivered what you’d expect from two of them. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/154 "2021-03-17T22:30:17Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > If true, ya gotta admire Pace’s chutzpah. I would also be skeptical of the Bears’ chances the next 2-3 years – after which Wilson would be 35 – but at least with a true franchise QB you have the realistic hope of long-term, extended success. As good as Wilson is, I’d have been ready to jump off a cliff had he made this deal. While the Bears certainly would have been a better team after the trade assuming Wilson is healthy, that’s indisputable, they wouldn’t be a contender. They have too many holes that would only deepen after giving up that much capital for a guy whose declining years are in view. I remember a time when Pace was saying that “I can see myself drafting a QB in every draft” in front of the media. Funny that. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/155 "2021-03-18T17:17:52Z")
The memes have started. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwuCMqcXAAEND5Q?format=jpg&name=small) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwuCMqcXAAEND5Q?format=jpg&name=small) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/156 "2021-03-18T19:52:46Z")
The Trubisky Era in Chicago officially ends, as the Bills sign him to a one-year deal to back up Josh Allen. > **[Bills nab QB Trubisky to serve as backup to Allen](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31087811/buffalo-bills-mitch-trubisky-agree-1-year-deal)** > > Mitchell Trubisky, who lost the starting job to Nick Foles with the Bears last season before reclaiming it, has reached a one-year deal with the Bills to serve as the backup to Josh Allen. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/157 "2021-03-18T21:05:25Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The Trubisky Era in Chicago officially ends, as the Bills sign him to a one-year deal to back up Josh Allen. One year, $2.5 million to back up an emerging star. Frankly, I thought he’d land better than that. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/158 "2021-03-18T21:11:55Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Frankly, I thought he’d land better than that. As this thread shows, there are a lot of QBs moving around (or potentially moving around) this off-season, many of whom have better track records (and, thus, more interest) than Trubisky. I read somewhere yesterday that the conventional wisdom among league executives on him now is that he’s not particularly bright, and that Nagy had to limit his offense in order to meet Trubisky’s capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/159 "2021-03-18T21:21:44Z")
The NFL announced its new TV deal, which extends through 2033, with CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN/ABC, and Amazon. > [@](#): > > The agreement keeps Sunday afternoon games on CBS and Fox, Sunday night games on NBC and Monday night games on ESPN, with some games also airing on ABC. For the first time, Amazon will be the exclusive home for Thursday night games, which will also be on over-the-air channels in the competing teams’ home markets. NFL Network will also air select games. Regarding Thursdays, what the above means is that, unless you’re in the home market for one of the teams, watching via Amazon appears to be your only option, unless it’s one of the games that’s also on NFL Network. Also, some new features of ESPN’s deal: > [@](#): > > ESPN’s package adds six games to the network during the season. There will be three Monday night doubleheaders – with games on ESPN, followed by a game on ABC. There will also be a Saturday doubleheader during the season’s final weekend and one Sunday morning game streaming nationally on ESPN+. > > ESPN, which has previously aired a wild-card playoff game, will add one game in the divisional round as well. > > For the first time, ESPN’s Monday Night Football will be able to “flex” games, starting with Week 12 of the season, to ensure better matchups. ESPN’s package also includes the ability to include four teams up to two times each. > **[NFL reaches TV deals with ESPN, other networks](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31088098/nfl-announces-tv-deals-espn-abc-nbc-cbs-fox-amazon)** > > The NFL announced it has reached a new set of deals to keep games on ESPN/ABC, Fox, CBS, NBC, Amazon and NFL Network through the 2033 season. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489/160 "2021-03-18T21:51:10Z")
Maybe Monday Night Football will suck a little less. At least it’s a step forward. They’ve had some really awful matchups recently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2021-nfl-qb-carousel-thread-aka-the-nfl-offseason-thread/932489.md?page=9)