# 2022 NFL coaching carousel **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [January 2, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096 "2022-01-02T21:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/81 "2022-01-31T00:26:03Z")
That’s not the measure. Rodgers is a known quantity. I can’t really attribute much of his success or failure to Getsy. Rodger’s stats are pretty unimpeachable and he had a bit of an uptick the last couple years, but he overall felt a lot more mortal and at times looked disengaged out there. Of course the playoff results are glaring. Who knows if that’s Getsy or Rodgers or LeFleur or Hackett or just the competition, but I see little to get excited about in the results. Had we found a guy who took a middling offense or an inexperienced QB and turned them into a league leader…that’d be something else entirely. Fields is raw and at times looked downright lost. I can’t imagine that the experience of coaching Rodgers in year 16 will have much in common with coaching Fields in year 2. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/82 "2022-01-31T00:35:23Z")
So your criterion is an OC who “coached up” a bad to mediocre QB enough to lead the league (in something)? Good luck I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/83 "2022-01-31T00:50:40Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > So your criterion is an OC who “coached up” a bad to mediocre QB enough to lead the league (in something)? I can’t recall that happening, aside from maybe Josh Allen. (He was terrible and is now one of the best QBs in the league.) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/84 "2022-01-31T01:06:40Z")
It happens all the time. Allen is a case in point. Herbert breaking out as a rookie. Tannehill going from Miami Tannehill to playoff Titan Tannehill. Getting MVP-level play out of guys like Foles and Wentz. Goff taking you to a Super Bowl. The list is endless. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/85 "2022-01-31T01:14:43Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Tannehill going from Miami Tannehill to playoff Titan Tannehill. That is a bad QB becoming one of the best? No, that’s a mediocre QB becoming a slightly above mediocre QB. > [@Omniscient](#): > > Getting MVP-level play out of guys like Foles and Wentz. Foles was very briefly good at just the right time. That was it. Wentz was a promising young QB who turned bad fast. Neither of those are good examples of anything. > [@Omniscient](#): > > Goff taking you to a Super Bowl. Goff was carried there by a good team, like Flacco (though without the ring). Goff has never been good. Herbert was good as a rookie, which is normal for most good QBs. Again, not an example of a bad QB being coached up to being great. I mentioned Allen because he’s an outlier, probably the only modern example we have. It’s extremely rare. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/86 "2022-01-31T01:30:17Z")
Tannehill was a hell of a lot better than that under Art Smith. He regressed this year when his OC left. He led the league in passer rating. Wentz/Foles were incredible under Reich. They regressed when he left to be an HC. And while I was never a Goff fan, he played pretty well with LeFleur and Zac Taylor helping him out. Good coaching does make average or better QBs playoff-caliber, and there’s a damn good reason why those guys are all HCs with playoff resumes now. Let’s not forget that Sean McVay got the Rams HC job because he helped Kirk Cousins play well enough to sign a monster contract. Frankly it’s absurd that I even need to argue this point. OCs who make the most of limited QB talent is basically the entire model for hiring HCs in the NFL right now. And hiring QB Coaches to be OCs follows the exact same pattern. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/87 "2022-01-31T01:48:04Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > OCs who make the most of limited QB talent is basically the entire model for hiring HCs in the NFL right now. And hiring QB Coaches to be OCs follows the exact same pattern. That does make sense yes, all nitpicks aside. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/88 "2022-01-31T17:55:02Z")
He still could do that. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/89 "2022-01-31T20:12:51Z")
Not really. I suppose he could sign a series of 1-year contracts, but unless he lets whatever deal he signs expire concurrently with Bill leaving the Pats would a) need to offer up compensation to his current team and b) his current team would have to be on board with it. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/90 "2022-01-31T22:38:18Z")
I was referring to the last time he got “hired” as a head coach. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/91 "2022-02-01T01:41:35Z")
By the way, I’m stating this now, and maybe later someone can dig up this quote and nail me for how wrong I was, but I think McDaniels will be a failure in Las Vegas. He rubs people the wrong way, I don’t think he has what it takes to be a head coach, and there’s a mess that someone really competent needs to sort out there. A better hire could take the pieces they have there and build on that, I don’t think McDaniels will do that. I’m not saying he’ll be Urban Meyers bad, but it’s not going to go well. Consider this my attempt to get something out of a crystal ball (a black one, with an 8 on it). ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/92 "2022-02-01T01:55:52Z")
You might be right, but I also have a little faith in people’s ability to change and grow. The Denver and Indianapolis situations where different and a guy pissing off Jay Cutler doesn’t exactly require a major character flaw. He gets miffed at raccoons. McDaniels is older and wiser and maybe a little more humble. That said I’d be anxious as fuck if I was a Raiders fan. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/93 "2022-02-01T03:20:07Z")
Yeah, I don’t see McDaniels succeeding in LV. But then, I don’t see too many succeeding there. From just casual observation, I’d say the franchise is a mess because the owner is a mess who just wants immediate results and isn’t willing to build patiently. McDaniels is an extremely good OC, and the Patriots are going to be less well off in his absence. For his sake, I hope he has indeed learned a little humility since his disastrous Denver outing. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/94 "2022-02-01T21:32:46Z")
Man, this might need it’s own thread but Flores is suing the Giants and the NFL. Basically, he found out prior to his interview with the Giants that they were already going to hire Daboll, and his interview was just to meet the Rooney Rule. Oh, and he accuses the Dolphin’s owner of tampering and paying him to tank. Wild stuff in here: > ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/95 "2022-02-01T21:49:30Z")
Wow, indeed. More details in this ESPN story, including this: > [@](#): > > The complaint includes text messages from Patriots coach Bill Belichick, who congratulated Flores on getting hired by the Giants when he hadn’t yet interviewed. > > “Sorry – I f—ed this up. I double checked and misread the text. I think they are naming Brian Daboll. I’m sorry about that,” Belichick said. > > The Giants named Daboll their head coach three days later. > **[Flores sues NFL, teams, alleges racism in hiring](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33194862/brian-flores-sues-nfl-others-former-miami-dolphins-coach-alleges-racism-hiring-practices)** > > Among Brian Flores' allegations: Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered him $100K for every loss in 2019 to help with draft position and the Giants conducted a "sham" in-person interview with him to comply with the Rooney Rule after deciding on Brian... ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/96 "2022-02-01T22:29:05Z")
All the racism and everything aside, just as a football fan it pisses me off that they are running things as a “good old boys” club. They should be hiring someone who will give the team the best chance of winning, not the person who is friends with someone or plays golf with the right people or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/97 "2022-02-01T23:50:13Z")
I can’t say it any better than this, so I’ll just let him say it: [http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=33194910](http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=33194910) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/98 "2022-02-02T00:47:50Z")
What about this do you think stinks of the “good ole boys club”? I’m not aware of any legacy club that Daboll might be a part of. If your complaint is that white guys are getting hired over black guys, just say that. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/99 "2022-02-02T01:00:40Z")
So are the allegations against Stephen Ross as serious as I’m reading it is, given the league’s foray into sports betting? A few folks are saying that this’ll just be covered up like everything with Dan Snyder, but even more are saying that this is a loss of such massive proportions to the NFL’s sports betting partners that they can’t possibly do so, and would happily throw Ross to the wolves to save their revenue. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096/100 "2022-02-02T01:06:27Z")
This is one hell of a complaint. The grid with pictures of all the coaches is \. > **[Complaint-against-National-Football-League-et-al-Filed.pdf](https://www.wigdorlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Complaint-against-National-Football-League-et-al-Filed.pdf)** > > 1936.02 KB [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2022-nfl-coaching-carousel/957096.md?page=6)