# 2023 Oscars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [March 12, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066 "2023-03-12T15:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/21 "2023-03-12T21:14:44Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I think Fraser, who we all love, was only OK in the role. The key thing is, whether something is good or not has next to no bearing on whether it wins the award. Fraser will win because it makes the best story. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/22 "2023-03-12T22:01:08Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Fraser definitely wins Best Actor even though the movie is shit and Aronofsky is a hack fraud. I don’t know about that. Austin Butler won the BAFTA. It’s a 50/50 between those two. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/23 "2023-03-12T22:04:18Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I don’t know about that. Austin Butler won the BAFTA. It’s a 50/50 between those two. You also can’t write off Colin Farrell. I haven’t see the movie, but sometimes it seems like they just think somebody is due one at some point in their career and this is as good a time as any. ---
**Author:** ![Paxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/50afbb/32.png) [@Paxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paxx)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/24 "2023-03-12T22:18:55Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > All the odds here. > > [https://www.oddschecker.com/awards/oscars](https://www.oddschecker.com/awards/oscars) Here’s another interesting site: [https://www.goldderby.com/charts/combined-graphs/oscars-winners-2023-predictions/](https://www.goldderby.com/charts/combined-graphs/oscars-winners-2023-predictions/) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/25 "2023-03-12T22:23:19Z")
I don’t understand what that site supposed to be. It has EEAAO at 6/1 _against_ for best picture, that’s obviously massively wrong. All the odds and percentages are completely wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/26 "2023-03-12T22:26:45Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s a technically incredible movie, pulled off with a great deal of skill. It LOOKS amazing. To the members of the Academy that counts for something. That’s their craft. It is no great work of art but hands down it is the most _entertaining_ movie I’ve seen this year. The rest of the family are in agreement which is pretty unheard of. We came out of the cinema with grins a mile wide and couldn’t stop singing its praises at the restaurant afterwards. I learned nothing from it but I had an absolute ball. I would understand completely if the academy awarded a more “worthy” film but if it gets the nod I wouldn’t be at all surprised. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/27 "2023-03-12T22:29:49Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Okay, but there’s an award for that category. What category is that? There’s no category for “overall appearance and craft.” ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/28 "2023-03-12T22:31:03Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > There’s no category for “overall appearance and craft.” Well, there is. It’s called Best Picture. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/29 "2023-03-12T22:36:14Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I don’t understand what that site supposed to be. It has EEAAO at 6/1 _against_ for best picture, that’s obviously massively wrong. All the odds and percentages are completely wrong. Yeah, those odds are weird, particularly because the numbers that are supposedly their source are right next to them and massively favor EAAOO. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/30 "2023-03-12T22:39:50Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s a technically incredible movie, pulled off with a great deal of skill. > [@RickJay](#): > > What category is that? Per what you wrote: Best Visual Effects; Best Film Editing; Best Cinematography ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/31 "2023-03-12T22:44:57Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I don’t understand what that site supposed to be. It has EEAAO at 6/1 _against_ for best picture, that’s obviously massively wrong. All the odds and percentages are completely wrong. At 6/1 it has the best odds, which seems to be the consensus among observers, that it is favored to win. But since the result won’t be based on past results or public sentiment, but on the Academy voters ballots (and there is no exit poll for this), the odds are spread. Personally, I like the graphic view. It sort of matches up with what I’ve been seeing in publications and prognostications since the nominations were announced. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/32 "2023-03-12T23:14:57Z")
Maybe I’m old, but having a “celebrated TikTok personality” dressed like a Mad Max extra providing some backstage coverage of the pre show seems a bit … desperate? I mean, how much of the TikTok audience is tuning in to ABC, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/33 "2023-03-12T23:22:51Z")
My two bits about Top Gun: Maverick - yes, incredibly entertaining. Yes, very well made. And I say a _considerably better movie_, story-wise and overall, than Top Gun was. Sure, there’s no way TG:M is going to win Best Picture, but I have no issue with it being nominated, nor with the screenplay getting an Adapted Screenplay nod. It’s not a trippy mind-blower like EEAAO, or an Irish Civil War allegory like Banshees Of Inisherin (and honestly I didn’t get that angle anyway), or a visceral anti-war classic remake like All Quiet On The Western Front, or a personal Spielberg story like The Fabelmans, but you know what? That’s okay. I think TG:M was an objectively well-made, objectively good film, and I’m fine with it getting a little Oscar night love. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/34 "2023-03-12T23:29:04Z")
Well said. FTR, I don’t think _Top Gun: Maverick_ should win the award for Best Picture. However, if the question is whether it deserves to be among the nominees, the primary criteria ought to be whether those with deep investment in the film industry (the bulk of the Academy voters) think it exemplifies something they are proud of, whether that is artistry, craft, entertainment, or even business excellence. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/35 "2023-03-12T23:39:02Z")
Well that Hugh Grant interview was awkward. I never watch these things, but picked the right time, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/36 "2023-03-12T23:39:40Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Per what you wrote: Best Visual Effects; Best Film Editing; Best Cinematography You’d almost think a movie that was worthy of being nominated in many categories of filmmaking might be worthy of nomination for being a really good overall movie. It’s hardly a new phenomenon; both Avatar movies have been nominated for Best Picture, and I didn’t think either was as good as Top Gun Maverick. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/37 "2023-03-12T23:51:50Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Well that Hugh Grant interview was awkward. I never watch these things, but picked the right time, I guess. He seemed _completely_ unprepared for the “Who are you wearing?” question. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/38 "2023-03-12T23:52:03Z")
> [@peccavi](#): > > At 6/1 it has the best odds, which seems to be the consensus among observers, that it is favored to win. But since the result won’t be based on past results or public sentiment, but on the Academy voters ballots (and there is no exit poll for this), the odds are spread. > > Personally, I like the graphic view. It sort of matches up with what I’ve been seeing in publications and prognostications since the nominations were announced. 6/1 against for EEAAO is massively wrong. That’s a 14% probability of winning. Check any other source - the correct market odds imply \>90% probability of winning. There is a well-defined market for betting like this, and all of the odds on that site are wildly wrong. You may like the graphic view, but the underlying data are complete nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/39 "2023-03-13T00:18:22Z")
I just read an article about Jamie Lee Curtis that said she walked down the aisle with her 75 year old husband. I thought, “Huh, she married a guy older than her by a lot.” :smack: It’s Christopher Guest! He’s 75! Spinal Tap are in their 70’s! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066/40 "2023-03-13T00:29:07Z")
My kids started watching “Better Call Saul” this past week after finishing “Breaking Bad” a few weeks ago. They were very critical of the acting chops of the lady who plays Mike Ehrmantraut’s daughter in law. The lady is of course Kerry Condon, the odds on favourite to win the Oscar tonight for Best Supporting Actress. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-oscars/981066.md?page=3)