# 2023 SDMB Celebrity Death Pool **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** death-pool\ **Created:** [December 1, 2022, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831 "2022-12-01T04:02:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1961 "2023-11-23T20:52:14Z")
Thanks! No, I did not know. And I could not figure out how to google it, as handbasket is a very generic term. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1962 "2023-11-23T21:01:13Z")
I wasn’t being sarcastic though, just curious. It’s like when someone else I knew didn’t understand the phrase “as the crow flies” as a term of distance. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1963 "2023-11-23T21:02:51Z")
I’ve always preferred “Hell in a Handcart”. More Old West Gibberishey. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1964 "2023-11-23T21:05:06Z")
Now I’ve googled it, and it seems it is very American English. I had read it, but did not realize it was so commonly used in the USA. Ignorance fought. Handcart is not bad either. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1965 "2023-11-24T02:21:30Z")
> **[Joan Jara, widow of Chilean folk singer killed in coup, dies at 96](https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2023/11/16/joan-jara-wife-victor-jara-killed-in-coup-dies/)** > > After General Augusto Pinochet’s forces killed Victor Jara during the 1973 coup, she spent her life seeking justice for her husband. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1966 "2023-11-24T02:23:24Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > NOT dead, but Tom Baker was just photographed for the 60th Anniversary of Doctor Who. He looks very thin. > > [https://i.redd.it/xhueytv99s1c1.jpeg](https://i.redd.it/xhueytv99s1c1.jpeg) I’m guessing his 11s are up. ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1967 "2023-11-24T05:27:10Z")
@Hoopy_Frood thanks for posting about Joan Jara; the WaPo paywall won’t let me in, but here’s a gift link to her NY Times obit: > **[Joan Jara, Who Found Justice for Husband Slain After Coup, Dies at 96](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/world/americas/joan-jara-dead.html?unlocked_article_code=1.A00.fKmV.wo9M_tBAFAzb&smid=url-share)** > > She sought accountability in the military killing of the leftist folk singer Victor Jara in the right-wing turmoil that carried Gen. Augusto Pinochet to power in Chile in 1973. And my favorite Victor Jara song: [https://youtu.be/RgSypCtwbk0?t=185](https://youtu.be/RgSypCtwbk0?t=185) Nitpick re. post 1957 above, it’s Dismas and Gest **a** s, not Gestus [Impenitent thief - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impenitent_thief) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1968 "2023-11-24T12:44:54Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I tried to read C.S. Lewis’ _The Great Divorce_, which presented a dismal view of limbo but seemed to suggest that individuals who were not fully evil still had a path to heaven simply by enduring the fields of Asphodel long enough for their fundamental merit to be recognized. I think you’re correct in that you tried to read it. The actual message is somewhat different: you can’t get into heaven if there are things you refuse to let go of, that are standing in between you and love - God’s love in particular, in Lewis’ view, but love in general really AFAIAC. Think, for instance, of how a certain recent ex-President is all about stirring up resentments in his followers, that immigrants and blacks and liberals and bureaucrats and the like are somehow getting all the goodies while they get the shit end of the stick. Those sorts of emotions inherently get in the way of love: you can’t be a loving human being while you’re preoccupied with those resentments. His followers have to at least forget about them for a while in order to let love in, from spouses, friends, family, whoever. But if you can’t let go of them at all, you can’t get in to heaven because you can’t take them into heaven with you. We’re all going to have stuff we need to let go of. Paul says we see the Lord now as if through a glass darkly, but then we shall see him face to face. Will experiencing him without any barriers between get us to let go of all those things we have held onto that stand in the way of love, or will we be unable to even then? Lewis comes up with a fictional purgatory where we have time and opportunity to do so eventually, but suggests that some people may be beyond salvation because they, in the end, turn into the thing they refuse to let go of. Madeleine L’Engle, in either _The Summer of the Great-Grandmother_ or _The Irrational Season_ - I can’t remember which - suggests a purgatory where God keeps on trying to reach each of us. His love is infinite, and ultimately our willingness to hold onto whatever hatreds, resentments, jealousies, whatever, that are standing between us and love - our refusal to let go of these is finite. So ultimately we all let go of what stands in between us and love, and we all find ourselves in heaven. Obviously, none of us know for sure what happens - if anything! - after we die. But I tend to side with L’Engle on this one. In mathematics, one learns that while the rational numbers are, in a critical sense, no more numerous than the counting numbers, the real numbers are unequivocally a bigger infinity than the rationals and the counting numbers. And then the set of continuous functions defined on the reals are a bigger infinity than that. And the chain of bigger infinities just keeps on going. God has a lot of infinities to work with. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1969 "2023-11-24T14:45:20Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > One does not go to Hell for committing sins. Hey, we are all sinners. One is in Hell for rejecting belief in God, or that there is no God. God desires that we all reach Heaven. The worst sinner can end up in Heaven if they repent their sins and believe in God’s mercy. That doesn’t mean they will escape earthly punishment, but eternity is waiting. Those two guys who were crucified alongside Jesus? The one ended up in Paradise, although he knew that his sins had condemned him. Not sure about the other one, we may not have the whole story on him. And I don’t think Hell is the lake of fire, or demons tormenting you, it’s a place of despair, knowing you are not with God. You know, a forever dreary place. I read Lewis, too, when I was younger. And even though I am a humanist and atheist, the concept of Hell (as described in _The Great Divorce_ and _The Screwtape Letters_) does not bother me intellectually; we’ve all known people who can’t let go of their pet grudges and hates, nor the certainty of their own beliefs. I can conceive that the first reaction to the unfiltered face of God is amazement and bafflement, and a realization of just how wrong your ideas were. So I don’t find the idea of Hell being the soul’s constant rejection of God to be unimaginable or vicious. The fundamentalist idea of eternally drowning in a lake of fire, because you were gay, or trans, or had an abortion, _is_ of course horrific, cruel, and completely wrong, in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1970 "2023-11-24T14:53:08Z")
> [@gkster](#): > > And my favorite Victor Jara song: [https://youtu.be/RgSypCtwbk0?t=185](https://youtu.be/RgSypCtwbk0?t=185) Thank you for that. [Here is mine.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yOjnpVKsoQ) Still makes me cry after all those years. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1971 "2023-11-24T23:39:04Z")
> **[Charles Peters, Washington Monthly founder, dies at 96](https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2023/11/23/charlie-peters-washington-monthly-dies/)** > > He vowed his magazine, a training ground for generations of reporters, would probe official Washington “the way that an anthropologist looks at a South Sea island.” ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1972 "2023-11-25T02:54:30Z")
> [@gkster](#): > > @Hoopy_Frood thanks for posting about Joan Jara; You’re welcome! ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1973 "2023-11-25T14:36:30Z")
Levi Walker dies at Age 80. Who? He is better known as Chief Noc-a-Homa, Atlanta Braves mascot from 1969 to 1985. > **[Levi Walker Jr., who portrayed Braves’ Chief Noc-A-Homa, dies](https://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/levi-walker-jr-who-portrayed-chief-noc-a-homa-dies/EVWZBW5FHBEEZLGUFNJWGHJTEM/)** > > Levi Walker Jr., who served as the Braves mascot Chief Noc-A-Homa for nearly 20 years, died Friday, according to Atlanta News First. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1974 "2023-11-25T16:15:33Z")
Are you saying that Chief Noc-A-Homa was not his real name?? mmm ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1975 "2023-11-26T01:41:00Z")
> **[Marty Krofft, Colorful Producer of ‘H.R. Pufnstuf,’ ‘Land of the Lost,’ Dies...](https://variety.com/2023/film/news/marty-krofft-dead-h-r-pufnstuf-1235808822/amp/)** > > Marty Krofft, who with his brother Sid produced memorable kids shows 'H.R. Pufnstuf' and 'Land of the Lost,' has died. He was 86.  ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1976 "2023-11-26T01:59:30Z")
his brother Sid is holding 6 points ---
**Author:** ![Reeses\_Monkey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reeses_monkey/32/2885_2.png) [@Reeses\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeses_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2023, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1977 "2023-11-26T03:15:43Z")
I’m going to have to re-listen to the Gilbert Gottfried podcast with the Krofft brothers. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2023, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1978 "2023-11-26T05:16:21Z")
Seattle-area [news personality Steve Pool](https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article282286023.html) leaves 30 points unclaimed. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1979 "2023-11-26T18:26:19Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Are you saying that Chief Noc-A-Homa was not his real name?? Nope. And Iron Eyes Cody, the “Crying Indian”, was actually Italian. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831/1980 "2023-11-26T18:50:56Z")
> **[Mars Williams, Sax Player for Psychedelic Furs and Waitresses, Dies at 68](https://variety.com/2023/music/obituaries-people-news/mars-williams-dead-saxophone-player-psychedelic-furs-waitresses-jazz-chicago-1235803086/amp/)** > > Mars Williams, a free-jazz sax player who was a longtime member of the Psychedelic Furs as well as a new-wave fixture with the Waitresses, died at 68. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-sdmb-celebrity-death-pool/975831.md?page=100)